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"Old Gay Hill Red China" rose Reviews & Comments
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Seems that "Old Gay Hill Red China" was first discovered by Thomas Affleck in Texas. See Judy Barrett, "Yes, You Can Grow Roses", College Station, Texas: Texas A&M University Press, 2013, p. 68
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Gay Hill is a town in central Texas, Washington County. The township was divided into the "old" and "new" sections in the late 1800's when a railroad split the town. Presumably, this rose was found in Old Gay Hill.
Martha Gonzalez (Fabvier) the rose from which OGH sported has been an old standby in much of TX for some time. Old Gay Hill shares many of Fabvier's features, including the propensity for attractive deep burgundy-bronze tones in the foliage when the weather gets cooler.
I personally prefer OGH to its parent, Fabvier. OGH's flower seems fuller, though not as nice nor formally cupped as that of e.g. Cramoisi Superieur. OGH does make a fairly dense shrub with minimal pruning, and thus the twigginess of it's china heritage doesn't offend, IMO. I believe it gets somewhat larger than Fabvier as well.
For more on china rose lineages, see:
http://oaktrust.library.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/ETD-TAMU-2009-12-7450/SOULES-THESIS.pdf?sequence=2
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22 FEB 19 by
 Darrell
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Thank you for more information on the rose, Philip. We rose historians always appreciate it.
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You are welcome! I hadn't realized, and apologize for duplicating the document linked in an earlier post from AquaEyes.
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Per the paper linked below (in Table 4, beginning on the paper's page 28), this rose is triploid. I am cross-posting this comment on all others mentioned which do not already have their ploidies mentioned in their descriptions.
http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/ETD-TAMU-2009-12-7450/SOULES-THESIS.pdf?sequence=2
:-)
~Christopher
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A found rose from the part of East Texas settled in the mid-19th century, Old Gay Hill is a classic, almost thornless red china. It resembles Cramoisi Superieur or Louis Philippe, but with more upright canes and the flowers generally facing up as well. Although it has fewer petals than its better-known cousins, they are closer to true red, and the gold stamens on fresh blooms give them a distinctive look. To me, its fragrance is similar to that of CS, a little like raspberries, but without the candy scent. Like LP, it makes hips. It does not need deadheading and reblooms quickly. Some sources suggest that Old Gay Hill is Fabvier, but photos and descriptions of that rose do not convince me so far. What I am convinced of is that Old Gay Hill is not well known enough and underrated, and I'm happy to have it.
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