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'Gabrini' rose Reviews & Comments
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5 FEB 16 by
andrewandsally
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It appears from the documents in the Antona-Traversi archive that Giovanni Traversi, Casoretti's employer, and Camilo Gabrini were business associates (something which I noted in my book Le Rose Italiane p.44). I see now from the family tree of the Milesi family given in the book Dai Campi alle filande by Elena De Marchi, that the two were in fact also brothers-in-law, the former married to Francesca Milesi, the latter to her sister Antonietta.
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5 MAR 11 by
andrewandsally
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If I am not mistaken, there are two breeders called Giovanni Casoretti, the father (1797-1846) and the son (1812-1879). Which one is said to have bred Cabrini? Presumably the one referred to in the report of Il Giardiniere, il Giornale pei Giardiniere as having, in 1830, "more than 130 choice varieties, raised by himself" is the father. Is the great peony breeder the son? Which one is the breeder of the camellia Casoretti alba?
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6 MAR 11 by
 jedmar
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'Camellia alba' was bred 1844. As you mention, there are various sources from 1830 describing that Casoretti grows camellias since a few years. On the other hand, there are also Casoretti camellias from the 1850s. I agree that it is the father who bred camellias, magnolias, etc. The son might have continued this work somewhat. On the other hand, the peonies fit more with the son's lifetime (we assigned a few more to Casoretti).
What is your source for the life dates of the father?
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2 APR 11 by
andrewandsally
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I'm sorry I didn't reply earlier. It's all very confusing: I have been able to gather some information about Casoretti (the father) but none about his son. I, too, was sure there was a son and even had life dates for him (1812 - 1879) but, of course, it is unlikely he was the son as the "father" would only have been 15 at the time of his birth. These life dates belong to a Casoretto or Casoretti born in Chiavari (Liguria) and died in Genoa or Chiavari, famous as a paeony breeder. He was rofessor of Botany at the University of Bologna. But be careful, there is a Luigi Casoretti who worked for the University of Pavia botanical gardens in the 1850s. Since Casoretto was a distinct area of Milan (near Lambrate station today), it is likely that Lombardy in particular might have had many with that surname or its deratives.
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