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"Morden 6910" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 46-823
most recent 16 JUL 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 JUL 10 by Chill out! Roses
Morden 6910 is a wonderful rose for cold areas. I had planted one in an area and forgot all about it...it was lost in the weeds. The next year it came back and is still coming back. I had lost the tag but when I planted another Morden 6910 in another area, I saw that both started blooming at the same time and with the same format. This is a hardy rambler, even at minus 20 temps and our long winters. It is at least 15 feet long and covered with blooms. It is one of the first to bloom and has a long cycle. We have short summers so once bloomers are acceptable, especially when it's an 8 week bloom. It's also nearly thornless which is unusual for cold hardy roses.
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Discussion id : 25-257
most recent 4 MAY 08 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 7 APR 08 by Leo McA
Some years ago I posted a picture of his rose taken at the Skinner Arboretum here in Manitoba. Recently when I went to compare it with a picture from the Brooks Alberta Rose garden I was surprised to find it listed as ‘Scharlachtglut’. They are two different roses. The confusion arose because some time ago Hortico sold this rose but called it ‘Scarlet Fire’. Since them some have taken to translating Scharlachglut as ‘Scarlet Fire’ instead of the preferred ‘Scarlet Glow’. Is it possible to re-instate ‘Morden 6910’ as a separate rose even if its exact breeding is not known? Both Ashdown and Paul Olsen think it is a combination of Rosa gallica and wichurana.
There is another potential for confusion as the last Parkland(Morden) rose released by AG Canada is also a single red and some have assumed it was Morden 6910 but it re-blooms and Morden 6910 doesn’t.
Thanks for all the work that goes into Helpmefind Roses.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 4 MAY 08 by Margit Schowalter
After searching HMF with "6910" and coming up with "Modern 6910" bred by Mike Lowe and "Morden 6910", I wrote Mike Lowe and asked if the rose was his. Here's his reply: (He is aware I am posting it here.)

Hi, Morden 6910 came to me from Lynn Cullicut. My guess is they are the same rose. She also sent me J5 & Wlm. Baffin for hybridizing for me only. Pollen from Wlm. Baffin has been successful.

Mike Lowe xxx xxx-xxxx call me if you nead more info.

Hope this helps.
Margit
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 4 MAY 08 by HMF Admin
Margit,

That's a tremendous help, thank you! Please note we removed Mike's phone number as we're concerned he might start receiving many, many unwanted phone calls. Thanks again.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 4 MAY 08 by Margit Schowalter
Ooooops
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Discussion id : 25-742
most recent 30 APR 08 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 APR 08 by Paul G. Olsen
Crop Diversification Centre South rose garden

Morden 6910 is not 'Scharlachglut' - it is the same as Hortico's 'Scarletfire'. They are different roses.

Seager Wheeler is the correct spelling.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 27 APR 08 by David Elliott
Could we ask you to explain the reference to 'Crop Diversification Center South garden?

Re Morden 6910. You are quite correct, Thank you these two roses will be separated.

Seager Wheeler
Thank you for the confirmation
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 27 APR 08 by Paul G. Olsen
Alberta Agriculture Crop Diversication South rose garden located at Brooks.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 28 APR 08 by Lyn G
Paul,

As David Elliott posted, we have separated the roses 'Scharlachglut' and 'Morden 6910'. However, I have done a search of both the nursery inventory listing on the HelpMeFind site and I have searched their site for 'Scarletfire' and 'Morden 6910' and they do not show a rose with either name as part of their current inventory. They do show 'Scarlet Fire' as a synonym for the Kordes rose 'Scharlachglut'.

"MR 12" does not show 'Scarlet Fire' or 'Scarletfire' as a synonym for 'Morden 6910, which is listed on page 346. Nor does it show these two names as a synonym for 'Scharlachglut', the Kordes rose listed on page 471. I do have a reference from "Hardy Roses, An Organic Guide to Growing Frost- and Disease Resistant Varieties" by Robert Osborne (with photography by Beth Powning) .. published in 1991 pg. 88 which says:

"The English translation of 'Scharlachglut' is "Scarlet glow" or "Scarlet fire". He does not say that those names are a synonym and lists the same parentage that we list on HMF for 'Scharlachglut'.

However, I do have a source that says 'Scarlet Fire' is a synonym of 'Scharlachglut'. In Wilhelm Kordes book "Roses" .. published in 1964, page 221, he lists the following information for 'Schalachglute'
syn 'Scarlet Fire'
Kordes 1952
gallica hybrid
single
Large, warm scarlet blooms with yellow staments
No. of blooms inclusters: up to 10
Bloom size: 4"
Moderate fragrance
Winter hardiness = -20° C., -4°F,
Uses and remarks: Upright, dense, spreading grower to about 6 ft. Very free flowering,. Large pear-shaped heps. The bark assums reddish tinges in winter. Hedge, groups. Provides good cover for birds.

A third reference, "The Complete Book Of Roses", translated and reprinted in 1981, page 402, also shows 'Scarlet Fire' as a synonym for 'Scharlachglut'.

I do not know how this relates to Morden 6910. It seems a bit strange to me that any Morden rose would carry a name "Morden XXXX" if it was bred outside of the breeding program by another breeder in another country.

Can you point us to a source where we can confirm that Morden 6910 is also known as 'Scarletfire' ?

With Regards,
Lyn
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 29 APR 08 by Unregistered Guest
Lyn,

Yes. it's confusing regarding Morden 6910/'Scarletfire' or Scarlet Fire'. I note Hortico does not list this cultivar anymore.

Many years ago, when I was living in Thunder Bay, I ordered a quantity of 'William Baffin' from Hortico. One of the plants turned out to be 'Scarlet Fire' as listed in their catalogue. They also listed 'Scharlauglut'/'Scarlet Glow'. I was very impressesd with its performance. The shrub was cold hardy to Zone 3 and it was floriferous of single, deep red flowers.

Later, on a visit to the Morden Research Station I noted a planting of Morden 6910 in full bloom. It was the same as 'Scarlet Fire'. Some time later I learned that Henry Marshall had received a shipment of roses from Hortico and a label was missing or he lost it from one of the roses. He planted it and labeled it Morden 6910.

Interestingly, a rose planting at a nearby condominium complex has a planting of 'Therese Bugnet'. But one plant is 'Scarlet Fire'/Morden 6910. The landscape company likely used rose material obtained from Hortico.

Morden 6910 was planted in the Devonian Botanical Garden rose garden last year.

I'm surprised Morden 6910 is listed in Modern Roses 12. Can you give me the description?
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 30 APR 08 by Lyn G
Paul,

Thank you for your response. Just to be clear, I think you are saying that the rose Henry Marshall named, not bred, 'Morden 6910' is an unidentified roses sold by Horitico under the name of 'Scarlet Fire'. Am I correct ? If this is true, then is 'Morden 6910' actually a study name ?

I am also wondering if you think that the date we should use on HMF is "circa 1970" ?

Here's the description of 'Morden 6910' in Modern Roses 12, page 346:

'Morden 6910', HWich, mr; flowers bright red, single, borne in clusters of 5-10, slight fragrance, spring bloom, vigorous (20 ft) growth.

Also, Ashdown Nursery says that it grows large in a cold climate. They attribute a very large, rambling size to the rose. Can you confirm this ?

With Regards,
Lyn
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 30 APR 08 by Unregistered Guest
Lyn,

I'm surprised anyone would list Morden 6910 with Modern Roses. I doubt that Morden did this and if anyone else did it's not ethical.

Yes, date of introduction "circa 1970" seems appropriate. I'll check with Larry Dyck, the rose technician at Morden.

A Hybrid Wichurana, I don't think so! I recall having this discussion with Ashdown, since I didn't agree with that. But I can't determine what type it is, maybe some Gallica influence. I'm astonished to learn it can grow 20' tall. It appears to be just a shrub rose. It certainly can't in cold (Zone 3 ) climates. Perhaps 1 - 1.2 metres.

Paul
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