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'Princesse de Sagan' rose Reviews & Comments
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7 JUN 19 by
 HubertG
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The author of the 1887 article in Journal des Roses states clearly that 'Princesse de Sagan' was a seedling of 'David d'Angers':
" La rose thé Princesse de Sagan a été obtenue en 1883, d'un semis du thé David d'Angers, par M. F.Dubreuil".
I assume what they call "David d'Angers" must be the 1856 Robert tea rose 'Souvenir de David d'Angers'. At least I can't find any original references to a "David d'Angers" rose.
I thought it might be worthwhile adding this more specific parentage to the description page.
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#1 of 2 posted
8 JUN 19 by
Patricia Routley
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I have added that parentage, but I do have a little concern over why Brent Dickerson, who also quoted that reference, said in the Advisor “affiliated with” .....‘Souvenir de David d’Angers’.
Then that reference mentions the breeder M. Dubreuil.
Souvenir de David d'Angers' was bred by Robert in 1856
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#2 of 2 posted
28 APR 24 by
odinthor
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The "why" is just . . . my oversight. Yes, it is a seedling from 'Souvenir de David d'Angers'.
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5 OCT 18 by
Patricia Routley
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HubertG, you have uploaded a reference from the ‘Leader’. Where and what was this publication please. I imagine that it might be a newspaper, but there must be hundreds of ‘Leaders’ around the world. The author is always of great interest too.
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#1 of 2 posted
6 OCT 18 by
HubertG
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Sorry, I've added an annotation to say that it was a Melbourne (Australian) newspaper. There wasn't a specific author's name that I could find.
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#2 of 2 posted
6 OCT 18 by
Patricia Routley
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31 MAY 18 by
Aussie rose lover
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Princess de Sagan is a blacked rose than FRANCIS Dubrueil.Its perfume rates as less 6/10. ITS IS LIKE black flat velvet with it absorbing the the light marking it darker. IT IS a tall very erect grower and is quite vigorous. IT IS very thorny and sets some seed so appears to be diploid.
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#1 of 4 posted
31 MAY 18 by
Margaret Furness
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If you have access to an original Princesse de Sagan, rather than the Prof Ganiviat which is sold under that name in Australia, it would be important to make budwood (in early December) or cuttings available to be shared around, please, for study and to prevent its being lost again.
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#2 of 4 posted
31 MAY 18 by
HubertG
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Aussie rose lover, If you could possibly upload a photograph that would be great too!
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#3 of 4 posted
31 AUG 18 by
Aussie rose lover
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I will try and do that Margret .I am intending to send budwood to rose rosees for propagation later this year.
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#4 of 4 posted
31 AUG 18 by
Margaret Furness
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That would be wonderful; it sounds like you have a very significant collection. Given the fragility of heritage roses in Australia - Mistydowns, Melville's and other nurseries cutting back, Thomas for Roses likely to close, the extreme uncertainty of the future of the HRIAI collection at Renmark - it's crucial that there be backup for the rarities across at least two states, and preferably further. I leave research to those with more expertise than mine; my role has been propagating for the Renmark collection, spreading the roses around, and photographing. Distributing the rarities has become more difficult, with inter-state quarantine tightening.
Pat (ozoldroser) lives in the Barossa - would you be willing to send her a private message re checking out the garden you used to weed (she would obtain permission from the current owners). I'm in the Hills, if the garden wasn't in the Barossa.
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#5 of 4 posted
1 SEP 18 by
HubertG
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That's exciting that this rose could become commercially available.
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Initial post
31 MAY 18 by
Aussie rose lover
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The rose depicted here IS not princesses de sagan.I give my reasons in my previous posting
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