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'Lord Tarquin' rose Reviews & Comments
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15 NOV 21 by
 Margaret Furness
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I've been sent scans of a few pages of a Journal of Horticulture, published in Australia in 1909. The article is by Arthur Moore of Hunter's Hill, NSW, and is titled, The Survival of the Fittest. It lists all the teas in cultivation at the time, by introduction date, with only 60% to 70% indicated as being available in Australia. The list was based on European price lists (possibly also American).
It gives a release date of 1832 for Lord Tarquin, but has many inaccuracies, especially in regard to synonyms.
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#1 of 9 posted
15 NOV 21 by
Patricia Routley
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Well that is the same date as Bougère - along with Belle de Mettray, Bocage, Charlotte de la Boivinière, Flon, Florian, Gros-Major, Hippolite, and Virginie.
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#2 of 9 posted
15 NOV 21 by
Margaret Furness
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When I get better scans, I'll post them somewhere.
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#3 of 9 posted
16 NOV 21 by
billy teabag
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Have you been able to find out whether there's any reference to the source of Arthur Moore's information?
It was common for information to be copied from Journal des Roses and English publications such as the Garden and The Gardener's Chronicle. I recall a number of journal articles and book chapters that listed a confused mixture of true synonyms and other sets of roses that may have had considerable difference in habit but with blooms that were deemed "too much alike".
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#4 of 9 posted
16 NOV 21 by
Margaret Furness
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He implies that his info comes from European ( = Continental) price lists, if I'm reading it correctly. See photo.
(Commonwealth in this context means Australia.) I'll try to find out if there's an explanatory page before the start of the list (of Teas released between 1832 and 1870).
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#5 of 9 posted
16 NOV 21 by
jedmar
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He says 'Lord Tarquin' is 'Bougère'! Jocelyn's photos of 'Lord Tarquin' do not however seem to have the thick petals which 'Bougère' was reported to have
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#6 of 9 posted
16 NOV 21 by
Margaret Furness
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The list also gives Comtesse Georges de Germiny as a synonym, but HMF says it's an offspring of Bougere. I can post the rest of the scans if you're interested, though the quality isn't good.
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#7 of 9 posted
17 NOV 21 by
billy teabag
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Something for consideration but not necessarily definite proof of one thing or the other: a number of Australian nurseries from the 1860s til the 1st World War listed both Bougere and Lord Tarquin, with different brief descriptions: Lord Tarquin as "pale flesh", Bougere as "deep rosy bronze". Both blooms described as "full".
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#8 of 9 posted
17 NOV 21 by
billy teabag
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#10 of 9 posted
19 NOV 21 by
Margaret Furness
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The publication is the Australasian (ie of Australia and New Zealand) Journal of Horticulture. The purpose of the article was to document which of the many Tea roses released between 1832 and 1870 were still available commercially in the United States, and which of those were still for sale in Australia.
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#9 of 9 posted
17 NOV 21 by
billy teabag
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22 OCT 08 by
Jocelyn Janon
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Is this tea rose available outside of New Zealand?
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#1 of 2 posted
22 OCT 08 by
Margaret FurnessReply
#2 of 2 posted
6 FEB 10 by
John Hook
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10 AUG 08 by
Ozoldroser
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"Lord Tarquin T Pale flesh shaded; free
syn Bougere"
a handwritten entry from a lined notebook owned by Chas. J Savage, Kain St. Box Hill (Victoria, Australia) - (circa 1915-17?) listing many old roses - owned by Robert Swinbourne but loaned to and photocopied by Pat Toolan. Handwritten in pen and ink.
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