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'Sander's White' rose Reviews & Comments
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Continuing a thread from a ‘Sanders White Rambler’ photo comment.....wherein Jedmar commented:
“ The photo of John Starnes also shows a fuller clone. However, there really seem to be an open and a button-eye version in commerce and gardens. See also the 2000 Reference by Trevor Griffiths. Reading the references, the repeated mention of "rosette-form" seems to imply that the full, button-eye version is the correct one”.
Trevor later imported the “open, stamened-version” and his photo is that of this open stamened rose.
I suspect the full button-eyed version is the original rose too. I would like to separate the files, but when I look at the references, the roses are not described sufficiently to separate them into the “full button-eyed version” and the “open stamened-version”.
It seems we should be searching for an white wichurana lookalike which is open, and shows its stamens.
Has anybody ever seen any pink on the buds of their Sanders?
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There is a small flowered white rambler that I have seen at the lower end of their rambler hedge at Melville Nursery, Carmel, Western Australia. At the 2005 Busselton Heritage Roses in Australia conference, Bob Melville showed the rose and said that it may have been used as a rootstock. From where I sat in the audience I heard something that sounded like 'Shailer's White', but it may have been 'Sander's White'.
I have also seen the same rose in New Zealand and I believe there it was called "Southland Sanders White'. I have no pictures of either rose but my memory tells me this rose has many more petals, and is a smaller flower than the rose I grow as 'Sander's White' (and which seems to be the same as Jedmar's October 1 picture - Thank you Jedmar).
Do the New Zealanders know yet what this smaller "Southland Sanders White" may be?
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There's an entry for 'Sanders' White' in Trevor Griffiths' 'My World of Old Roses' p152.
A distant photo shot, so hard to judge the flower size.
(Happy Birthday).
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Re Bob Melville’s Conference comment above that his rose “may have been used as a rootstock”, I have come across this sentence in the 1922-189 reference in ‘Snowflake’. “One is reminded very much of the old " Double Ten Weeks Stock."
From Trevor Griffiths 2000-190 reference, I think the two may be connected: “Over a long period of time a white Rambler with tight little rosette flowers has been grown in New Zealand. It was known as ‘Sanders’ White’......”
1. Has anybody heard of the “Double Ten Weeks Stock” and
2. Does any New Zealander have any more information on “Southland Sanders White“.
Billy, do you know of anybody in Perth who is now growing the small-flowered white from Bob’s now non-existant rambler hedge?
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I have had this wonderful rose in my garden for many years now, and I have grown more and more fond of it over the years. A Norwegian rose expert : Leon Stangeland, once wrote an article for the Norwegian Rose Society`s Magazine on the roses of his garden. There was a photo of this rambler in his garden and he spoke very favourably of it, clearly expressing that he held it to be one of his favourites. This made me plant the rose in my own garden, a decision I have never regretted. It is now also one of my favourites. Together with American Pillar it is now covering most of my gazebo, and I love it. The stems are rather thin and pliable at least compared to American Pillar, but they grow profusely, easily reaching across the roof of the gazebo and all the way down on the other side, criss-crossing in all directions. - Fabulous. At first there was only the one, stunning flush. But by and by it started to sport some single flowers and small clusters also later in the season. This year it has just gone on and on up til now when there are still some flowers left on the plant. We now write December 17th, and as the day temperatures are expected to drop below zero C as of tomorrow, I am afraid that will be the end of it. However I had never imagined this one to be one of the latest bloomers in my garden. The small, loosely filled flowers have a wonderful scent, and it is quite disease resistant too. A little mildew has been detected a couple of times, but it has so far been left powerless to deal with this profusely growing plant. The uploaded photo, unfortunately a bit blurred, was taken on Dec 1st. 2009.
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thanks for all the good information
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My pleasure. You say that you live in a cold area. The climate here at Lista is rather mild for Norway. It has by a helpmefind member been compared to the climate in the Seattle-Vancouver area. But you could always try. It is one of my top favourites. My American Pillar froze down to the ground during a recent harsh winter - not so Sander`s White Rambler. (American Pillar is coming back though - on its way to becoming its once glorious self.) Good Luck!
Best regards Arvid
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Wow! I'm amazed that anywhere in Norway has weather that mild. In the photo of your pretty gazebo and Sander's White (and I assume American Pillar?) -- Sander's look very healthy. If you have the time, I've got some questions for you. They are: --How big is the flower? --How long does it bloom? --How much (if any) shade does your bush get and how well does it cope with it? --Either Graham Thomas and/or Peter Beals said Sander's White is a superior rose to 'Seagull' and from what I've researched I can't see why. I was wondering if you have any opinions on that. I have an old tree that would look pretty with a least one climbing rose on it, and I'm serously considering the roses May Queen or Seagull, and thanks to your posts, Sander's white. Unfortunately, I need roses that will take part sun only.
Any comments from you (or anyone else) would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Michelle
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I honestly don't know if 'May Queen' would grow in your area, but if it did, you need a low tree, such as an apple so that you can see the blooms closely. If the tree is tall, then one of the whites would produce a mass of distance colour.
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Yes it is "American Pillar" . The flowers of "Sander`s White" are about 4cm in diameter. If the choice is between "Seagull" and " Sander`s White" I would definitely choose Sander`s. I have both in my garden and Sander`s is much better. Like I said it seems pretty hardy too. Both are deseasefree in my garden. It seems to tolerate some shade as it is shadowed by an apple tree in the afternoon. It is listed as once blooming but tends to sport scattered flowers later in the season when established - as late as December shown in the photo you commented. I have no experience with "May Queen" but like another member has commented I don`t think it will tolerate your climate conditions. You could also try the Finnish "Polstjernan" (The Polar Star) known by many in America I think, by the name of "The White Rose of Finland" - if you can get it. This is said to be the hardiest of all climbers - and yes, you can send it up a tree. It is extremely vigorous. .Good Luck!
Best regards Arvid
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Thank you Arvid and Patricia!
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#7 of 14 posted
29 MAY 14 by
 Jay-Jay
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Over here Seagull is much more vigorous and climbs higher into a tree. It takes some more years to flower than Sander's White Rambler.
A nurseryman told me he didn't advise S.W.R. to people with children or other, that would be on a vacation in the time that this rose flowers. They would never be able to enjoy the full blooming.
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Yes, Seagull is definitely very vigorous, only it hasn`t shown its full potential in my garden as yet, but I have planted a new one, so I`ll, have to wait and see. Yes Sander`s White`s main flush tends to come a bit later than ramblers of this kind. so if the only time you can enjoy its full flush is in the vacation time, you may be a bit disappointed unless you have your vacation later in the season.. The time of the main flush may of course vary depending on the climate in your place
Best regards Arvid
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#9 of 14 posted
30 MAY 14 by
Jay-Jay
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You're right about climate and the time of the vacation... or just stay at home that time in (as we say in Holland) "Tuinesië" (Gardenesië)
Arvid: Do You grow Starkodder too? A very nice Scandinavian Helenae-Hybrid Rambler.
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Yes, I have Starkodder. It flowered when I bought it a couple of years ago, but not since. I am waiting for it to flower this year. I am also waiting for it to grow up a cherry tree, but so far it has been a bit slow. It is quite healthy though and hardy too.
Best regards Arvid
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#11 of 14 posted
31 MAY 14 by
Jay-Jay
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I didn't see it listed for Your garden on HMF. So I wondered. It flowers every year (over here) but in some years some caterpillars loved the buds too. It is very vigorous and it roots super-easy. It started to flower the day before yesterday. (early compared to other years)
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I haven`t updated my plants in HMF for a while. Some have disappeared and many have been planted since the last update. I guess I will have to do something about that. I hope mine will be as vigorous and floriferous as yours soon.
Arvid
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#13 of 14 posted
2 JUN 14 by
Jay-Jay
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I'll upload one or two photo's soon.
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Good, I`ll check them out. I saw an enormous specimen i the "Trädgårdsföreningen" Park in Gothenburg some years ago. It was fantastic. I hope mine will grow to be half as big eventually.
Arvid
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15 NOV 09 by
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The pictures of this rose remind me very much of City of York (thorns & all), except the flowers are more double.
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But 'City of York' flowers are much bigger than those of 'Sander's White Rambler'.
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