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'Shailer's Provence' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 149-724
most recent 29 AUG SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 AUG by Bug_girl
This rose has no descendants listed. Is it sterile?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 17 AUG by jedmar
That could be one reason. The other is that parentages were seldom reported in early 19th century.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 29 AUG by Bug_girl
That makes sense. Thank you!
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Discussion id : 140-347
most recent 4 APR SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 31 MAR by WillametteRose
Is this a once-blooming rose?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 APR by Le_Not
Yes, it is a once-bloomer -- but it has a long blooming period.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 APR by WillametteRose
Thank you!
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Discussion id : 140-348
most recent 1 APR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 MAR by Lee H.
Interesting to note that HMF lists parentage as [seedling of Virgin Rose], which apparently relies on very early 1850’s references by Mr. Shailer himself, while Modern Roses 12 gives [R. centifolia x R. l’heritieranea]. Certainly the editors of MR12 are considered experts in their field, and it makes you wonder how such things occur.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 1 APR by jedmar
Modern Roses did not have a parentage for 'Shailer's Provence' up to and including MR XI. MR 12 probably based it on the traditional statement from Rivers in 1837: "it seems to be between the Boursault and Provence rose", which was repeated by later authors. MR12 missed that L'Héritierana was not around for at least 20 years after Shailer's cultivar.
The advantage of HMF is that it is in continuous development as many hitherto unpublished references are added and mistakes are corrected:
The 1851 reference e.g. refers to a statement by Henry Shailer junior himself that 'Shailer's Provence' is a seedling of the Spineless or Virgin's Rose. Already in 1810 Andrews questioned : "It is as yet so little known, that a dwarf variety of the Province is frequently sold for it; a mistake most probably owing to its being common called amongst cultivators Shailer's Province Rose: but it certainly bears most resemblance to the Rosa Indica, and is, as far as we can understand, a hybrid production between the two species".
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 1 APR by jedmar
One confusion which is not yet sorted out:
- In his 1851 article, Henry Shailer lists 'Shailer's Provence' = Rosea gracilis under Moss roses. The latter is listed in HMF as Gracilis (moss).
- The rose in cultivation is however not a moss rose. Andrews states in 1810 that nurserymen sell another dwarf variety as 'Shailer's Provence'. Is that its origin?
- Another listing is for Gracilis (Boursault). This could be identical to 'Shailer's Provence' as mentioned in the 1851 article
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 APR by Lee H.
Thank you Jedmar.
When I said “makes you wonder…”, I should have known you’d take that as a challenge! ;-)
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Discussion id : 96-012
most recent 25 JUL 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 NOV 16 by Chris
Does extremely well in shady areas
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 JUL 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you, my shady locations have the best soil.
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