The Spencer I have looks very different from the foto in the book The Quest for the Rose (page 97); I also have Enfant de France and it look's to me that both roses are the same! Maybe some day I'll find out which is the correct Spencer
yes, and i wonder, if anyone has ever doubted the lineage, or mabe the plant in commerce today is a different one, because at the photos bloom-form and habit as well look so very different from merveille de lyon. the flowers pictured are rather like that of damasks and merveille de lyon is not a bit arching but very upright - not like the rose on the photo of collection loubert. merveille de lyon-blooms do not have this powderpuffshaped appearence, not even when aged; they rather look like waterlilies.