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'Stainless Steel ™' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 4-957
most recent 10 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797
I just read Gwen's review of Stainless Steel. As an organic gardener, I would recommend to anyone living near a coastal area to avoid hybrid teas and grow rugosas instead. Hybrid teas require too much fertilizer and insecticides (environmental "unbalance"). Rugosas are native to seaside areas and are tough, fragrant, and require little fertilization and attention. They hate all types of spraying. They practically grow in sand in their native provinces. The best performing plants of any kind are either native species or those grown in areas that mimic their original surroundings. Gwen would have an easier time making the switch. Please be assured-this is not an inappropriate comment, just sound advice for gardeners like myself who treasure our earth.
Reply #1 of 14 posted 28 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest
I live on the coast which rugosas do you recommend?
Reply #2 of 14 posted 2 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Please email me and let me know what size you have in mind. Do you have a large or small garden? More hybrids have appeared on the market to help us with the shrinking size of our garden space. I can narrow down the choices for you if size is an issue. If not, then I'll give you the names of some good ones. By the way, any particular color choice? Victoria
Reply #3 of 14 posted 22 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Cecile; I did reply to you, but I don't know if the message got through to you. Please let me know. Thanks, Victoria. I apologize for taking so long to reply. I did not realize that I had received a reply until last week. Sincerely, Victoria. PS-I actually gave you a list of rugosas and landscaping roses. If you did not receive it, I will write it again and re-send it.
Reply #4 of 14 posted 22 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Celia; I apologize for misspelling your name. Please let me know if you received my list of rugosas. Thank you, Victoria
Reply #5 of 14 posted 23 MAY 05 by Unregistered Guest
Reply #6 of 14 posted 24 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Celia; I will send you a list tomorrow evening. I wrote a long list for you but evidently the program did not transmit. I'll be in touch shortly. It is 1:30 a.m. here. Blessings, Victoria
Reply #8 of 14 posted 28 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, I have twice sent you a list of rugosas that was a page long, and each time the list did not transmit. Is there some way that I can send the list to you directly or through another website? The only information that I see posted is the addendum about the yellow rugosas, and this is an afterthought that closes out the huge list that I sent to you. I wrote a list of rugosas by colors and sizes, and the names of hybridizers. Victoria
Reply #7 of 14 posted 24 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, I forgot to tell you that the yellow rugosas have a reputation for not being as disease resistant as the red, pink or purple varieties. I have a pavement rugosa that does get some rust, but that does not prevent it from blooming or developing new, disease-free foliage. As a matter of fat, rugosas hate being sprayed with any kind of chemical, and the leaves will be damaged if they are sprayed. They are tough enough to shake off anything but human abuse. I hope this helps. If you do decide on a rose, you may wish to log onto helpmefind,com or for more information about individual varieties. I am also container-growing Henry Hudson-disease free. Sincerely, Victoria
Reply #9 of 14 posted 6 JUN 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, this is a third try at getting a rugosa list to you. I may have to do this in several postings. I am going to give you several websites, and you can read the characteristics of each rugosa and see what sounds right for your garden. Look up; (this is the Antique Rose Emporium);; These nurseries sell own-root rugosas of every color and size. Wayside Gardens and White Flower Farm also have rugosas, but they may be grafted. I don't recommend them if you live in a cold climate. Ralph Moore, the "miniature rose king," has just hybridized and introduced the first striped rugosa,"Moore's Striped Rugosa." The site is This rose grows to about three feet. If you want roses for a warm climate, always go with the hybrids. The species rugosas prefer cooler climates. The "Pavement" series of rugosas are for smaller gardens. Arena Roses is selling a floribunda for the coast: "Preference." It is in their catalog. Some of the Agricultural Canada roses are also disease resistant. A good groundcover is Charles Albanel. You may also want to try "The Fairy." It is a polyantha, but it is very disease resistant and extremely rugged. It will bloom in almost near-shade in very warm or hot conditions. The websites that I have given you have separate listings for rugosas. I hope this helps. Victoria. PS_Rugosas have thorns like nails. The larger roses make good barrier plantings. The smaller ones can be grown in containers.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 6 JUN 05 by anonymous-18579
Recommended larger rugosas: Topaz Jewel (yellow)

Sarah Van Fleet
Fru Dagmar Hastrup (also Hartopp)
Blanc Double de Coubert
Linda Campbell
Jens Munk: many rugosas have beautiful hips that can be made into jelly, tea or left on the bush for birds. I like to eat them raw, sweet and crunchy.--high in vit c.
David Thompson
Martin Frobisher
Smaller: Pavement series
Foxi Pavement
Pink, Purple, Pierette, Showy, White, Pristine Pavement
Henry Hudson
Rotes Meer
Reply #11 of 14 posted 5 APR 10 by York Rose
Do please be aware that if you live in coastal New England Rosa rugosa, while beautiful in the garden, can become invasive (which is why it's so prevalent along some of the beaches).

Furthermore, while it's a terrific landscaping flowering shrub (truly!), if you plan to cut your roses to bring indoors and enjoy in vases, Rosa rugosa and its various color iterations (such as Rosa rugosa alba, a magnificent white rose that is brilliant white without a hint of any other color, a rarity in white roses) has almost no vase life at all. In the vase the flowers can shatter within hours.

(That may not be true of the rugosa hybrids with other species. I am not familiar with their vase lives.)
Reply #12 of 14 posted 9 JUN 10 by timdufelmeier
Why would any self respecting hmf member even want to live in a world without HYBRID TEAS? What a dreadful concept!
Rugosas are devine but I WANT AND NEED MY HYBRID TEAS. I live in a little coastal town called Los Angeles, California and I have never even considered using sprays on my 400 roses neither do my rosemaniac friends.

Until rugosas grow
Only hybrid teas can
Fill the bill
Reply #13 of 14 posted 2 JAN 13 by goncmg
Your comme made me laugh, I love it, I feel the same way. Not a rose in existence that I don't love but love Hybrid Teas.....
Reply #14 of 14 posted 10 FEB by mamabotanica
Totally agree (also live in So Cal - out Pasadena way) and I love my hybrid teas! Got rid of my rugosas because I didn't need a rose to take over the garden.
Discussion id : 43-739
most recent 12 AUG 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 5 APR 10 by a_carl76
This is a very nice pale lavender hybrid tea to grow. Very nice form and a great scent too. I have grown it for several years without spraying with moderate success but it will eventually succumb to BS if the rest of your roses get it. I sprayed it intemittently for a few years with great success. I have to strongly disagree with the hardiness rating of this rose. Despite the plant being a hybrid tea, I have grown it very successfully in zone 5b. This past winter I did not put any winter protection on it because the plant was looking terrible and I was going to replace it. I now have to rethink this as it has sent up four basal shoots (clearly not understock). I have also grown it successfully in zone 4a, but it does require good winter protection there.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 SEP 16 by drossb1986
Stainless Steel is the #1 blackspot magnet in my garden...and that includes Purple Tiger which is known for blackspot. SS completely defoliated despite spraying.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 AUG 19 by Plazbo
Possibly related to soil ph. Caruth being in Cali likely has alkaline soil. I in Sydney Australia (a catchment area) have pretty acidic soil....basically everything of his gets blackspot here unless liming the soil or potting mix. Your bio says Huston which is apparently alkaline clay but you also mention raised beds so may or may not be the issue.
Discussion id : 92-537
most recent 4 MAY 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 MAY 16 by drossb1986
The jury is still out for me on Stainless Steel here in Houston. We've had a very rainy spring that has resulted in some mildew problems on SS. Additionally, SS blooms tend to brown some when wet. Therefore, I've had very few nice blooms off SS...they've all ended up a bit of a mess. That said, it's a very unique color, especially when compared to other purples and mauves that I have (Twilight Zone, Distant Drums, Koko Loko, and Melody Parfumee). I've also found the plant growth to be uneven and wonky. I'm not sure if that's a trait unique to my plant, or SS just doesn't make a pretty bush. If you can get a good bloom on it, the long stems are perfect for cutting. Fragrance has been moderate for me, nothing exceptional. I thought SS would be a better performer than it has been. It makes me want to give Lady-X another go of it.

August 2016 Update: First it was mildew, then blackspot. I bought Stainless Steel thinking it would be a much better Sterling Silver, but now I can't imagine how poor of a plant Sterling Silver must be if Stainless Steel is the "better version" of it. It's an ugly plant. It doesn't bloom much. It stays riddled with something despite weekly spraying. If it rains the blooms look terrible. It's fussy and not worth the trouble. It may be getting the shovel.
Discussion id : 76-734
most recent 15 FEB 14 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 15 FEB 14 by Michael Garhart
I loved the blooms of Stainless Steel. I grew it for many years when it was new. My problem was that these 5-7" blooms were hoisted atop a sky scraper plant. Lagerfeld suffers from the identical problem, except its huge sprays on a sky scraper plant.

Shocking Blue, while not an "HT", has HT-like blooms on a 3-4' plant, fragrant, and easy to grow in the ground or in a large pot. Also, it lacks the black spot. Its the only mauve (non-purple type) to date that I have found that is an easy keeper, can be cut for indoors, is mauve, and is also fragrant. Natasha Monet came close, but it suffers from really bad mildew issues.

It is unfortunate that most mauve roses, especially the ghostly-colored ones, are so disease prone. Even the mauve Buck roses have some issues.
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