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'Indian Summer' rose Reviews & Comments
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Patricia - do you (or anyone else reading this) have Modern Roses IV?
I Have II, III, 5 and 6 and have added the 'Indian Summer' entries from these to HMF references.
In MR II - III, Modern Roses lists the breeder/ introducer as Howard or Howard and Smith, but in MR5, the name Duehrsen makes an appearance as breeder. I'm curious to know whether Modern Roses IV offers any explanation for the change.
The information in the patent application makes the breeder's name look pretty unambiguous. Frederick H. Howard writes that it was he who did the breeding.
The correct date of introduction appears to be 1937.
Hazlewood's Nursery was offering it in Australia by 1939.
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I’ve added some more refs. I was unable to find ’Indian Summer’ in the listings of Roses Patented in the American Rose Annuals up to 1945. There was a brief mention in 1941 about the rose being in the process of Registration, but that was all.
1952 was the first mention of Duehrsen as the breeder and I note that most of his roses were either introduced by Howard & Smith or California Roses.
Quite possibly this, then new breeder, enlisted the more knowledgeable Howard & Smith to patent his roses and I do see, in the patent the applicant Fred Howard stating, “My new invention…made by me…”
There is more to the story of ‘Indian Summer’ that possibly only Americans can tell us.
For the moment we have the two men (Duehrsen, and Howard) listed as breeder until things come clear.
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It's curious that Duehrsen's name did not appear until so long after the introduction of the rose and that it isn't mentioned in the patent application documents.
When it did appear in Modern Roses, the date of introduction was listed differently as well and I wonder whether this is an error.
I hope some of our American friends can shed some light on this.
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Advice I have received is that other Duehrsen roses were shown in MR III (1947) as being bred by Howard and Smith (e.g. ‘Gold Rush’, ‘Crown of Gold’ as well as ‘Indian Summer’). By MR IV (1952) the listings for these roses were changed to being bred by Duehrsen and introduced by H&S. So I think my initial guess of Duehrsen enlisting the help of H&S may have been correct. He obviously later objected to his roses being shown as bred by someone else, hence the change in breeder by 1952, MR IV. There is a one year discrepancy in the intro date in the MR III and IV and we have gone with the 1938 shown in MR IV.
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"Penrose" is the study name given to a climbing Hybrid Tea rose found by Penny Hooper when she and her family bought their home, 'Penrose', near the Swan River in Guildford, Western Australia.
Other roses growing in the garden include 'Golden Ophelia', 'Souvenir de Mme Boullet', Shot Silk, Hugo Roller and Climbing Lorraine Lee.
"Penrose" matches the detailed description in Frederick H. Howard's patent application for 'Indian Summer'.
After Hillary Merrifield suggested 'Indian Summer' as a possible identity for "Penrose", it was discovered that there are named plants of 'Indian Summer' extant in Perth and when compared, the two roses were found to be identical.
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The epitome of what Heritage Roses in Australia is all about. Finding, conserving, studying, identifying and publicising. Well done, Penny, Billy and Hillary!
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Patricia Routley's name needs to be added to that list. Without your record-keeping, indexes and suggestions, I doubt we would have found the named plants of 'Indian Summer' quite so quickly.
It's a rare thing to have both an accurate and detailed early description AND a surviving named plant to confirm an identity.
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This excellent description is from the Patent document:
Patented Feb. 11, 1941 Plant Pat. 448
UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE
448
ROSE PLANT
Frederick Huber Howard. Montebello, Calif.
Application July 29, 1940, Serial No. 348,270
1 Claim. (CI. 47—61)
My new Invention pertains to Improvements in climbing hybrid tea roses and is the result of a cross of Ednah Thomas by Autumn, made by me in my gardens.
This is an unusually vigorous climbing rose variety and the leathery foliage is mildew-proof, thus making an excellent rose for screening purposes.
It has been asexually reproduced and its outstanding qualities have proved to be permanent.
The original illustrations accompanying this application depict in approximately their true form and colors, three specimens of this variety in different stages of maturity.
Following is a detailed description of the plant and flower, reference, being made to Ridgway's Color Standards and Nomenclature except where the ordinary dictionary meaning is obviously intended
The plant
Growth: Very vigorous climber, attaining a height of from 12 to 18 feet.
Blooming habit: Profuse bloomer all season.
Disease resistance: Very resistant to common rose diseases, particularly mildew which has never been found on this variety.
Foliage: Abundant: compound, usually 3 to 5 leaflets.
Leaflets
Size—small, terminal leaflet 1¾ to 2 inches in length by 1¼ to 1½ inches in
width. Lateral leaflets smaller.
Shape—ovate with acute tip and rounded base.
Margin— entire.
Texture— leathery.
Color—approximately Cedar Green (Plate VI)on the upper surface: lower surface—Light Elm Green (Plate XVII).
Appearance – Glossy; clean.
Rachis: Thin: grooved above: occasional small thorns below.
Stipules: Long; narrow: clinging: narrow acute points extend at broad angle.
Stems: Long; strong; Inclined to be staggered from node to node.
Color—Cerro Green (Plate V) to Olive Green (Plate IV), frequently overlaid with bronze
or reddish tinge.
Thorns: Downward-hooked; sharp; approximately Van Dyke Red (Plate XIII); irregularly placed on stem; progressively larger and more frequent downward on the stem.
The flower
Bud:
Size.—Large
Shape.—Long-pointed; opens urn-shaped.
Color.—From Eugenia Red (Plate XIII) at the base to Strawberry Pink (Plate I) at the tip.
Peduncle. — Short to medium; stiff; straight; covered with very fine spines; its Olive Green color is usually heavily tinged with Neutral Red (Plate XXXVIII).
Sepals.- Simple; medium length: turn backward. clasping peduncle.
Blossom:
Borne. - singly on peduncles which are short to medium.
Size.—Very large for climbing rose, often reaching 5 inches in diameter.
Form.—Cupped, becoming loose as it opens. Petals much folded and imbricated.
Petalage.—Double, with 20 to 30 petals.
Color.—General color effect is that of a bi-color rose, one color being in the buff shades
and the other In the red to orange shades.
Petals:
Shape— Outer petals approximately round and slightly cupped. Inner petals narrower and more deeply cupped.
Edge—usually smooth except for occasional irregular notches at tip. Edges roll back slightly as flower ages.
Texture.—Thick
Appearance,—Dull.
Size.—Large: outer petals approximately 2½'', by 2½ inches.
Color.—As the bud opens it becomes lighter in color and the bi-color effect becomes evident. The Inner surface of the petals of the opened flower Is Buff Yellow (Plate IV) with n suffusion of Vinaceous-Pink (Plate XXVIII). The outer surface contains a range of colors from Jasper Pink (Plate XIII), through light Jasper Red (Plate (XIII) and Old Rose (Plate XIII), with occasional touches of Spinel Pink (Plate XXVI). The base of all the petals is Light Cadmium (Plate IV), which is evident in larger quantity on the inner surface. The inner petals frequently remain folded in such a way as to display the color of the outer surface in contrast with the color of the inner surface.
Longevity: Very good.
Fragrance: Slight.
Behavior: Petals drop off cleanly.
Reproductive organs:
Pistils. — Many; bunched. Styles — short; light yellow. Stigmas — approximately Spinel Red (Plate XXVI), tipped with Naples Yellow (Plate XVI). Stamens.—Many; arranged around bunched pistils. Filaments—irregular in length, ex¬tending beyond pistils; Empire Yellow (Plate IV). Anthers—large; approximately Light Cadmium (Plate IV). Ovaries.—Large; ovoidal; smooth; inclosed.
Having thus disclosed my Invention, I claim: A new and distinct variety of climbing hybrid tea rose plant, characterized particularly by its continuous and free blooming habit; its healthy, mildew-resistant foliage; and its large, well-formed, double flowers of a distinctive color for climbing roses, having a bi-color effect composed of tints and shades from Buff-Yellow to Eugenia Red, substantially as shown and described.
FREDERICK HUBER HOWARD.
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