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'York and Lancaster' rose Reviews & Comments
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Initial post 7 days ago by CybeRose
It looks like there are two distinct varieties muddled together.
Clusius (1601) wrote about one that was half/half, or one third/ two thirds, and such. That seems to match with the pictures from "Bilderbuch für Kinder" by F. J. Bertuch.
The van de Passe illustration is closer to what Sir Thomas Hanmer (1659) wrote.
"The VARIEGATED DAMASKE, or YORKE AND LANCASTER, which is the true Damaske, striped well with White, a fine Rose when it markes rightly, sweet as the Damaske, and no fuller of leaves, called in Latine Prenestina."

The sepals are also very different. The specimen I photographed at the San Jose Heritage garden is not what van de Pass and Hanmer had in hand.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 days ago by jedmar
Yes, Rössig in 1801 has two plates showing two different 'Yorck and Lancaster': one is with stripes, the other has petals of two different colours. Difficult to say whether the striped version is identical to 'Striped Monthly' and very difficult to separate the many synonyms.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 days ago by CybeRose
I think the striped is/was not a monthly.

Austen: Roses (1657)
As for Rose-trees, some damask Roses, and some Provosts beare a second time, the same yeare, though but few, if cut soone after the first bearing in the full Moone. But besides there is a Rose-tree, called the Monthly Rose, which beares Roses untill the coldness of the winter stop it, about November.

Liger: Roses (1706)
The Strip'd Rose Tree ... is propagated Scutcheon-wise, either with Dormant or a shooting Eye, the First never failing to Flower the next Year, and the Second in the Autumn of the same Year. These Two Ways of Propagation are better liked than that of the Branches with the Roots split, which are always Two or Three Years before they produce any Flowers.

So, the "Strip'd Rose" was not a Monthly, but could be nudged into repeating a bit. Still, that doesn't tell us about the other one Clusius mentioned.

Maybe experimenters should test their old roses to learn which can be so nudged. Maybe they would give better results when crossed with modern rebloomers.
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