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Discussion id : 128-616
most recent 30 JUL 21 SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 JUL 21 by Mervey

I just discovered a strange new stem growing out of one of my Veilchenblau stem. It's a "newborn" (3-4 days old), foliage and stem resemble Veilchenblau but all brownish-redish.
Did someone have already experienced this ?

Thank you very much.
Reply #1 of 14 posted 28 JUL 21 by Nastarana
You might, I say might, have Rose Rosette disease. Might there be a rose expert you near where you live whom you could consult? Has RRD shown up in your area? Does the stem resemble new growth on the same plant?
Reply #3 of 14 posted 28 JUL 21 by Mervey
Thank you,

I didn't know what is Rose Rosette Disease so I searched for and found "provenwinners . com" for explanation. No, this stem is exactly the same as the whole plant and new growths except the colour. All the other new growths are exactly green.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 28 JUL 21 by jedmar
Many young shoots (and foliage) have reddish colour - it is a higher anthocyanin content as protection against UV-light). Wait a while to see if the fresh shoot turns green.
Reply #4 of 14 posted 28 JUL 21 by Mervey
Thank you,

I didn't know that. Until now, all my Veilchenblau new stems grew exactly green and this is the only one which is growing brown. That said, the first leaf at the base of the stem have turned green.
Wait and see... I marked it with fluo pink elastics for later recognition. I'll post other photos for comparison.

Well, the first 5 photos are of the brown stem, the last two of normal green stems :
Reply #5 of 14 posted 29 JUL 21 by scvirginia
It looks like normal new reddish growth to me. The reddish color might be more common than you remember, or it could be weather-related, if conditions there have been hotter/cooler or wetter/drier than usual where you are?
Reply #6 of 14 posted 29 JUL 21 by Mervey
Thank you scvirginia,

Yes, looks normal but reddish. There are lots of weather changes in France since early May and my region, Brittany, doesn't make exception but it is far to be the first time. I took a look at the plant this morning, every new shoot grows green except this one. Do you think this could be the result of a weather change ? Have you ever heard of any Veilchenblau's sport existance (just dreaming... haha !) ?
Reply #7 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by scvirginia
I can't provide links, but there are several good photos amongst the Veilchenblau photos of reddish new growth for comparison.

One is from December 2010 (uploaded January 2011), another is from June 2012 (uploaded August 2012), and another, provided by jedmar, is earlier and has no date.

I remember being alarmed by fire-engine-red growth on a Climbing Cecile Brunner once. I don't recall seeing growth that red on that plant before or since, but I might have missed other examples, or just not remembered them.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by Margaret Furness
Teas and plants descended from them, like Cecile Brunner, are especially likely to have red new growth. For example, the spring flush on "Agnes Saffron's Tea", photo below.
Unfortunately it attracts parrots, which have learnt that new growth means that sugary sap can be found in them.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by scvirginia
Yes, Climbing Cecile usually has reddish new growth, but this was a remarkably bright red, and I did have a few moments' panic that it might have RRD. It turned green after a week or so, though.

We don't have your difficulties with opportunistic parrots. There was once a Carolina Parakeet in these parts, but it was hunted to extinction long before I was born...
Reply #11 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by Mervey
Thank you !

Would Veilchenblau be a hybrid tea ? I have read the "References" and it is just a Crimson Rambler's seedling, a multiflora hybrid. Though some references mention 'Erinnerung an Brod' as the other parent, perpetual hybrid. Is this class descend from Tea ?

I didn't kow about parrots' taste for sugar.
We, in France, don't naturally have any parrot species but there is a new pest invading the western Europe : the collared parakeet (Psittacula krameri). An imported lot of 50 indivuals (France) fleed away few decades ago from Roissy airport and since then they multiplied strongly, not being predated, having no killing disease, not being killed by our no longer too cold winters, they nest in the tree holes preventing our european species to reproduce normally, they eat everything they can. And the worst is that they are very intelligent...
Here is a screenshot of a youtube video (L'invasion des perruches à collier à l'est de la métropole lilloise) :
Reply #12 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by Nastarana
"fleed away"? I love it! The boring, correct English is 'fled' but 'fleed' is so much better and more descriptive. The little parrots are cute. No predators? What about housecats? I understand adorable pets were responsible for a number of small animal extinctions on tropical islands.
Reply #13 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by Mervey
Sorry, being French, English language is not very natural to me. Once I wrote it, I hesitated and finally let it like that. Glad you love my mistake !

Yes, these animals are cute... in the wild in their original countries. They are millions today in Europe, they live in the trees and housecats are... house cats. These birds are seeds and vegetables eaters, they already have started to attack the vegetable crops (in England as I know). I can't imagine the disaster if they start to eat weaten, barley... in the fields before they are ready to be harvested. Like grasshoppers.

Alas, most humans don't think enough about the consequences of their acts, that why this planet is so sick. Because of the dodo's extinction, the forest can not regenerate itself. And so on...

Thank you for posting, I was a bit affraid that I turned off topic too much !
Reply #14 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by Margaret Furness
I'm sorry I confused things. There is nothing in the recorded parentage to suggest Teas in the background of Veilchenblau.
In Australia, introduced cats (tame and especially feral) are calculated to kill a million native birds, lizards or other animals per day. Cats are hunters, regardless of what their owners say.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 30 JUL 21 by Mervey
Thank you !

I just took a look at all the pictures you mentionned and YES it is exactly that, the one which made me understand better being the stem posted by jedmar but all are extremely helpful.

So, the good thing is I don't have to worry. But my dream gone away (lol) !
Discussion id : 111-994
most recent 6 JUL 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 6 JUL 18 by JasonSims1984
This rose reblooms in the fall when well established. It gives at least a nice second flush when the conditions are right.
Discussion id : 31-034
most recent 15 JAN 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 19 OCT 08 by buffbeauty
I wonder if this is one of the once bloomers that does well in the shade of deciduous trees...
Reply #1 of 2 posted 17 APR 09 by Artemis
I have a veilchenblau climbing up my maple tree. It is extremely healthy and hardy. It took about 3 years before it really took off. I am in zone 5/6 in Missouri.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 15 JAN 17 by Puns 'n' Roses
My Veilchenblau is currently overgrowing a Buddleja davidii which in our climate tends to keep its leaves in winter. Veilchenblau is not the least bothered by this fact. It has grown 4 meters (12 feet) high in the 3 years of its life here. And now, in January, after short, but severe frosts, the top branches still have all their leaves. (I once saw Veilchenblau at a nursery in winter where it formed an evergreen wall-like hedge.) Growing next to blackspot-infested "presumed to be Mary Rose" and only a couple of feet away from the mildewy mess that Paul's Himalayan Musk is in my garden, Veilchenblau has never had one diseased leaf, and I don't spray at all. So, while Paul and Mary are going to be acquainted with my shovel (to move them, or to get rid of them), Veilchenblau will be King of the Garage Roof. This rose can't be praised enough.
Discussion id : 91-546
most recent 17 MAR 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 MAR 16 by Margaret Furness
Which of the seedlings of Veilchenblau are thornless or nearly so, if any? Thanks.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 17 MAR 16 by Patricia Routley
Margaret, there are 39 1st generation descendants. Whatever you are looking for, perhaps start with IXL, Rose-Marie Viaud, and Violette.
Ken Nobbs bred with Veilchenblau and it is possible a few got to Australia.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 17 MAR 16 by Margaret Furness
I had looked at Violette and Rose-Marie Viaud (but not IXL, thanks for that one), but the descriptions don't comment on thorns. I'm looking for thornless ramblers to recommend (I did remember the banksias, Goldfinch and to some degree Ghislaine de Feligonde). They fall through the gaps in the search facility .
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