Under 'Cornelie' you list in "Buy From" an archive source: Joseph Kern Nursery. I own the Fall 1970-Spring 1971 catalogue named there. I have read it three times now but do not find either 'Cornelie' or 'Belle Vichysoise' listed. Pemberton's 'Cornelia' is listed under Hybrid Musks, but that is all. You may wish to remove that misleading source.

'Cornélie' seems to have been a bright pink Noisette, while 'Belle Vichysoise' of commerce today is definitely not bright pink. Roseraie Ducher offers both 'Cornélie' (bright pink) and 'Belle Vichysoise' (pale pink and white):

http://roseraie-ducher.com/fr/rosiers-buissons/44-rosier-buisson-cornelie.html?

http://roseraie-ducher.com/fr/rosiers-grimpants/228-rosier-grimpant-belle-vichyssoise.html?

I can only assume that the comparison that was made when it was determined these roses were the same involved a mis-labeled plant. They look nothing alike. Accordingly, the 1899 and 1906 editions of Nomenclature de tous les noms... give them separate entries, histories and descriptions: 'Cornélie' is rose vif, while 'Belle Vichysoise' is blanc rosé.

It does seem that HMF ought to look at the synonymity of these two roses with more skepticism; I think they deserve separate records.

Virginia

Anybody can tell how thorny it is?
I need to place it in a thorn free (or almost free) area.
Thank you for your advice.