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'Xavier Olibo' rose Reviews & Comments
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5 DEC 20 by
 HubertG
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The references to 'Xavier Olibo' being a sport of 'General Jacqueminot' are all modern, the earliest being Beales' from 1982. Sangerhausen (1936) suggests a seedling of Jacqueminot, and the 1885 reference describes it as a "descendant". I wonder if a sport is actually correct since there seem to be no contemporaneous descriptions of it being a sport, and the growth is also described fairly consistently as weak compared to 'General Jacqueminot'.
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#1 of 3 posted
5 DEC 20 by
jedmar
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Modified to "Seedling of" as per the 1911 reference, pending further information.
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#2 of 3 posted
5 DEC 20 by
Kim Rupert
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Often, self seedlings of these older roses resemble weaker versions of them. I believe a large number of the older types were the result of self seedlings. Further selfs often produce weaker plants.
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#3 of 3 posted
6 DEC 20 by
jedmar
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Definitely! Many of the famous early breeders were actually "discoverers". They collected hips in their gardens and sowed the seeds out. If there was an attractive rose among the seedlings, it was a newly-"bred" rose, i.e. a "seedling of xyz".
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