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"Le Parré" rose Reviews & Comments
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A bit of new info on this rose, I posted another ref to Belle de Bordeaux......"Tea roses in Australia to 1975." Anlaby 1900 -1922. pink with fawn. I also came across an enormous old plant of this in Bieres d'Armagnac, The place had been sold off as a holiday home but a relative of the previous owner told me the rose was known as Bordeaux. Maybe a coincidence?
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Sorry I didn't add the Anlaby information as a reference John. I am not sure where it came from.
There is another co-incidence I like and that is that 'Belle de Bordeaux' often appeared in the Australian catalogues, whereas 'Elie Beauvilain' appeared just once (E. B. Heyne, Norwood, SA 1900). Because of the paucity of Australian references I was never particularly happy with the identification of 'Elie Beauvilain' for the Australian foundling "Mr. William's rose" . Then there was that yellowish illustration - which may or may not be 'Gloire de Libourne'.
I have added a few more Australian references to 'Belle de Bordeaux' and note a confusing rash of synonyms. Australians might like to ponder just for a moment on the 1933 and 1936 'Belle de Bordeaux' references, remembering that one [of quite a few sources] of the plants in Western Australia came from Mr. Williams.
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I'm also dubious of the 'Elie Beauvilain' as currently identified . I think the litho in Journal des Roses reasonably matches the written descriptions taking into account the usual artist's enhancements and I don't believe the illustration is a mistake. I find it difficult to match the current 'Elie Beauvilain' with these descriptions.
"Le Parré" is obviously affected a great deal by growing conditions as I have never seen it as in Kai-eric's photo, mine and the other plants around here are mainly pink or red with some silvering and sometimes a touch of fawn
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It was listed under the name 'Gloire de Bordeaux'
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recently i did review all the pictures of le parré's flowers showing as a rule various infusions of coppery and apricot tints and thus cannot agree with some meanings about it to be 'belle de bordeaux' which is said having mostly silvery-pink flowers - none of the sources pointing out any coppery hue.
who can help it out?
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How does "Le Parré" compare with what we know as 'Elie Beauvilian' Kai-Eric?
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#2 of 4 posted
28 JUL 15 by
 kai-eric
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at first sight they show great similarities but the devil is in the details - flowers of le parré seem more consistent then those of elie beauvilain, wood is heavier, growth stouter than what i remember of elie beauvilain that i have lost in 2012. better asking john about them.
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Thanks Kai-Eric - I should have checked earlier comments (and read the front page!) before commenting as I see this has already been discussed quite a lot.
Would love to see this rose in person.
Looking through the photos last night, I was reminded of our "Mr Williams' [not] Gloire de Dijon" which also shows that range of colour, bud shape and inflorescences.
But the list of Dijon Teas I have never seen is very long and there must be many similar-looking surviving seedlings as well.
We have wondered whether "Mr Williams' [not] Gloire de Dijon" might have been a chance seedling that sprang up under the parent plant and survived it, as Mr Williams was so adamant that the rose his mother planted was' Gloire de Dijon'.
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I would discount the "chance seedling" theory Billy as I gathered this same rose in from wide-spread old properties in the south west of Western Australia.
1997 "Mr. Williams, Bridgetown"
1999 "Mrs. Sambell, Dinninup"
2001 "Ruth Maguire, via Rose Marsh, Kojonup"
They are all the same rose.
I also saw it growing Mary Clifton's 'Alverstoke' property at Brunswick, WA
and at Gregg and Phillip's garden in California.
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To my inexpert eyes, the foliage, buds and flowers all look fairly similar to those of 'Gribaldo Nicola'. Or at least the HMF photos of same.
Virginia
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20 JUL 15 by
kai-eric
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they may have similarities in being highly hybridized, but flowers of gribaldo nicola are tiny cups and foliage is different as displayed in the picture beneath: on the left the more rounded leaflets of 'gribaldo nicola', on the right the more slender of 'le parré'
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Quite different, indeed!
Thanks,
Virginia
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This rose looks identical to Elie Beauvilain. Elie also has thick sturdy canes that I am only able to bend because they are so long. How is rebloom?
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There are some comments under the photo ID 250925.
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#2 of 3 posted
30 AUG 14 by
mashamcl
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Thank you. Foliage was what stopped me at first too. However, my Elie has both rounded and pointy leaves, I will upload a pic shortly to Elie. I also took a pic of lateral canes near the base. I can't bend them well unless they grow about 6' tall.
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2 MAY 15 by
kai-eric
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i did same observations on foliage and wood of le parré as did mashamcl on his elie beauvilain. receptacles can be slender or short based, clusters of both roses are looking a lot alike.
on the other hand 'le parré' proved to be extremly frostresistent 3 years ago when late onset of winter with -16°C ( 3.2 °F) killed a lot of my teas, 'elie beauvilain' among them.
the havy wood and strong growth of 'le parré' is evocative of early hybrid tea climbers as 'paul lédé'.
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