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'Thunderstruck' rose Reviews & Comments
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Poseidon is very fragrant.
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"VARIETY DENOMINATION
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The new plant has the varietal denomination ‘ORAlodsem’.
BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
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This invention relates to a new and distinct variety of Climbing Rose. It has as its seed parent the variety known as ‘MEIronsse’ (U.S. Plant Pat. No. 8,496) and as its pollen parent the variety known as ‘HARzazz’ (not patented)."
Publication info:
US2016183420 (P1)
2016-06-23
Christopher Columbus (Meilland) x Sue Hipkin?? I think this patent got its wires crossed somewhere.....
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Sorry Michael, I don't know my way around the Plant Patent website and find it impossible to get to this patent.
The thought occurs that perhaps MEIronsse should in fact be MEIronssesar?
I wonder if the crossed wires relate at all to HelpMeFind's previous comments?
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I don't really know. I think this is one that will bother me until we figure it out...somehow :[
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I just uploaded a pic from Sue Hipkin. I grew it for years. No single trait has anything in common with this rose, which is what really threw me off. The only thing believable is that it was used as pollen, since Sue Hipkin doesn't crosses well at all.
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Looks like the patent was corrected around May 2017. We posted this in 2016.
Cool that it was corrected!!! New parentage is far more conceivable.
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#5 of 5 posted
6 AUG 17 by
 jedmar
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It seems to take about 6-7 months between the first publication of new inventions (in this case US20160183420 P1) and the issuing of the patent itself (e.g. USPP 28055). This is probably to enable third parties to object. In this case a bit longer.
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If this is the same rose being tested at Washington Park, it was loaded with a lot of prickles and blackspot.
If it is indeed the same variety, which seems likely, then it also seems to bloom a lot, is a pillar, and is upright.
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Is this variety distinct from 'Summer Lodge'?
~Benaminh
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I am not sure. We have three roses.
2007 Summer Lodge ORAstricape shrub. Won medals. Very prickly.
2015 Poseidon ORAlodsen shrub
2016 Tropical Lightning ORAlodsem. Climber/shrub . We have it as cream, but the internet photos and references show striped.
I think these last two 'Poseidon' and 'Tropical Lightning' are the same, as Orard's website is showing a code of ORAlodsem for 'Poseidon'. I'll merge them tomorrow unless people think otherwise.
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'Poseidon' and 'Tropical Lightning' now merged and we're back to your original question.
Looking at the Orard website, they quote the same colour for both. The only differences I can see are
'Summer Lodge' serie B. Hauteur 100/140cm
'Poseidon' serie A. Hauteur 100cm
So what is the series bit all about?
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I don't know what the serie is about, perhaps an in house designation for growth habit. They both are climbers and look similar enough to be at least siblings. I don't know how HMF's original designation was cream when it's obviously striped, but thanks for the correction.
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Thanks Daniel. We'll just have to keep 'Summer Lodge' and 'Poseidon' on the shelf until more information comes to light. We have a whole world of searchers out there, so perhaps one day.....
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