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"Shalice" rose Reviews & Comments
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15 MAR by
 petera
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The hips wither before they fully develop and I couldn't find anything like fertile seeds.
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#1 of 2 posted
15 MAR by
Margaret Furness
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The plant in my previous garden didn't have persisting hips either
I note that three suggested IDs (Captain Christy, Georg Arends, Baroness Rothschild) each have at least one offspring listed, as seed parent.
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15 MAR by
petera
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I have grown Georg Arends and Baroness Rothschild in the past and, provided my plants were correctly named, Shalice is neither. I have never grown Capitaine Christy so can only compare it to the pictures on HMF. CC has longish pedicels while on S they are very short and consequently the inflorescences are short and crowded like those of many HPs. Many pictures show CC flowers drooping, S flowers are on rigid stems and cannot droop. S has very large, extravagantly foliose sepals while those of CC are almost simple, with sometimes a couple of little outgrowths (I don't know a name) on the margins. Some of the pictures of full-on flowers of CC look incredibly like S (see those from Georges Francis March 09) but if you look at a side view the flowers are totally different.
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26 JAN 24 by
petera
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I take back my earlier comment about lack of scent. On this warm, humid, summer's day it has a distinct tea rose scent. In the past I couldn't detect any scent but either my nose has changed or the weather has stimulated the flower. Given the foliage and the slight tinge of yellow at the petal bases I think this rose has some tea in its ancestry.
It also appears to be setting hips. I will let them mature before I check for seed.
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20 DEC 16 by
Margaret Furness
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Collected by John Nieuwesteeg and named for the family who grew it.
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#1 of 5 posted
20 DEC 16 by
Patricia Routley
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Thank you Margaret.
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#2 of 5 posted
4 NOV 18 by
HubertG
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How regularly does this repeat? It does look more HT than anything else. It actually reminds me a bit of the early illustrations of 'Lady Mary Fitzwilliam'.
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#3 of 5 posted
5 NOV 18 by
Margaret Furness
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The expert nurseryman who collected it says it's Portland. I can't answer re repeat but will keep watching it.
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#4 of 5 posted
21 JAN 23 by
Pacifier
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I'm of the opinion it's likely the 1867 Baroness Rothschild (Pernet).
It keys out well with the references. George Arends is famously thornless so def not that. Lady Mary Fitzwilliam is very much in the classic HT style (unless you have Mrs Wakefield Christie Miller which was widely sold as Lady Mary).
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#5 of 5 posted
2 FEB 23 by
petera
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I don't currently have Baroness Rothschild to compare it with but my memory is that BR has conventional Damask style leaves, is much pricklier, and doesn't have the knobby, jointed stems. The short pedicels, flower form and total lack of fragrance are similar although S is a messier flower. From looking at the pictures on HMF the receptacle is constricted below the sepals in BR but not in S. There is a good picture of BR on HMF posted by Feva back in June 2012 to compare with my Shalice pictures.
The leaves of Shalice are very distinct; it is smooth, thin and papery, and in the spring the new foliage has a strong, silvery, metallic sheen that is not evident later in the season.
It doesn't at all resemble the plant I used have as Georg Arends. That was much like its supposed parent La France with thin stems and higher-centred flowers with a powerful perfume.
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1 MAR 21 by
Margaret Furness
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Would someone who grows Georg Arends please compare it with the photos of "Shalice" - it has been suggested as an ID.
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2 MAR 21 by
Patricia Routley
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I have never relied on perfume as an identifying characteristic, because different noses smell different fragrances. However, in this case, PeterA has said he cannot detect any fragrance in “Shalice”. (PeterA might be a bit like me. The perfume might be there but my nose just cannot smell it.)
Other people need to smell “Shalice” and report back.
‘Georg Arends’ was said to have an excellent centifolia scent.
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