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"R. Soulieana - R Moores putative version" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 135-791
most recent 20 DEC 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 DEC 22 by Philip_ATX
I note there is no "lineage" link by which to research descendants. (E.g. MORsoucrest, etc.)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 20 DEC 22 by HMF Admin
Yes, there appears to be an issue with the display of this rose. Possibly the length of the name is causing an issue. We will take a look.
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Discussion id : 135-792
most recent 19 DEC 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 DEC 22 by Philip_ATX
This rose promises to be a beast. In less than 2 years, I have very flexible, long canes trained 8 feet up into a crepe myrtle, another 8 feet out, from where they drape nearly to the ground. Unfortunately, quite thorny though. I am hoping for an ample bloom cycle next spring.
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Discussion id : 119-303
most recent 25 JUN 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 DEC 19 by Patricia Routley
How many petals? Is the bloom single, semi, or double?
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Reply #1 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Kim Rupert
Five petals, white.
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Reply #2 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Kim. Have you compared it with the single white R. Multiflora?
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Reply #3 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Kim Rupert
You're welcome, Patricia. No worries, it is NOT multiflora. Paul Barden currently grows the largest plant of it in existence. If it was something easily identified as something else, certainly Paul would have made that identification.
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Reply #4 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Patricia Routley
OK, thank you, i took my iPad down to my R. multiflora this morning as the cane photo looks so familiar to me. Perhaps some bloom photos etc might be good in the future.
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Reply #5 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Kim Rupert
Paul sent me two plants of it last year. I sent one to a friend in Tennessee who was to open a nursery and the other to Jonathan Windham at Clemson University to get established there in his species rose collection. I don't have any photos of it. My goal was to get it "out there" to preserve it. Unfortunately there isn't room in my yard for it.
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Reply #6 of 13 posted 13 DEC 19 by Jonathan Windham
I'm glad to see this rose get its own listing.

I'm fairly certain the plant is a hybrid with multiflora, due to the fringed stipules. I also believe this because the plant displays tremendous vigor (hybrid-vigor), putting on several feet of new growth in a few months. It also roots extremely easy. This plant could definitely become a problem in some areas.

Here is a photo of leaves from R. multiflora (white flower) and R. multiflora adenochaeta (pink flowers) to compare to:

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.285321
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Reply #13 of 13 posted 25 JUN 22 by Paul Barden
I too have come to believe this is actually a multiflora hybrid. There are many R. multiflora traits this rose displays: the fringed stipules, thorns, growth pattern, and notably - the fragrance, which is very VERY similar to R. multiflora. If I had encountered this plant somewhere, and not known its putative identity, I would almost certainly have ID'd it as a R. multiflora hybrid or variant.
I suspect this is a hybrid with some modern remontant (China derivative), which would explain why it is capable of generating a high percentage of repeat blooming seedlings.
MORsoul is a cross of Anytime X "Moore's soulieana" and looks for all the world like a modern Polyantha - the type you'd get from a multiflora hybrid.
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Reply #7 of 13 posted 13 DEC 19 by Michael Garhart
In species hybrids where the hybrid looks near identical to the species, traits that I have found that are altered by hybridity tend to be hard to catch. Among those are petal and foliage substance (usually thicker) and internode spacing.

In the photos, there is a loss of blue tone. The internode spacing looks similar in the photos I could clearly see such a thing. The foliage looks slightly larger in the Moore selection.

Ploidy would be helpful.

I assume the source of the selection and year found or created is unknown.
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Reply #8 of 13 posted 4 JUN 22 by Paul Barden
Whatever Ralph's "soulienana" is, its definitely NOT R. multiflora. I wish I knew how Ralph obtained this. Given the fact that it frequently produces remontant seedlings when crossed with modern remontants makes me think its a hybrid.
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Reply #9 of 13 posted 6 JUN 22 by Michael Garhart
I'd like to think its Rosa soulieana x Florodora for the sake of cosmic humor.
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Reply #10 of 13 posted 6 JUN 22 by Kim Rupert
It's certainly something, given enough more time than he enjoyed, he probably would have come up with. Perhaps someone who grows both should investigate... Paul?
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Reply #11 of 13 posted 6 JUN 22 by Paul Barden
I'm pretty sure I no longer have Floradora here. It succumbed to disease when I stopped using fungicides in 2010.
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Reply #12 of 13 posted 8 JUN 22 by Michael Garhart
There are about 20 of them in Portland in that weird park separated by neighborhoods. Not that it's worth the time and effort.
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Discussion id : 129-326
most recent 10 OCT 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 OCT 21 by Plazbo
Something with the name is causing breaks around pictures of this rose (eg see a lot of

R. Soulieana - Ralph Moores putative version"' rose photo" title="'"R. Soulieana - Ralph Moores putative version"' rose, click to enlarge">

on the photos and the description tab)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 10 OCT 21 by HMF Admin
Noted, thank you for taking the time to alert us.
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