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"Mystery Cream Tea"  rose photo courtesy of member Patricia Routley
Discussion id : 108-546
most recent 16 FEB 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 FEB 18 by HubertG
Thankyou both for responding. Unfortunately, I lost my specimen of 'Susan Irvine's Cream Tea as I tried to grow it in a pot. It did look very much like Patricia's photo (id189361) of 'Mystery Cream Tea'. I remember it had straight prickles and was quite a short plant with a good fragrance. I'll try to find some old photos that I took of it. It did look most like 'Mystery Cream Tea'. I don't remember any pink in it. I'm only going by memory now, but the fragrance was very much like Mrs Foley Hobbs (another rose I lost) and I wonder whether this might give any clue to it's identity, both being cream.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 16 FEB 18 by Patricia Routley
I am one of those peasants that don't place too much importance on fragrance to identify a rose
a) because I can't smell anything these days, and
b) because so many people get different smells from the same rose.
I like to have something more visible that can be photographed.

I actually have 'Mrs. Foley Hobbs' in the same bed as "Mystery Cream Tea" and in that photograph you mentioned, (id189361), between the main canes and perhaps 2-3 metres away, you can just make out the two black canes of 'Mrs. Foley Hobbs'. You can see the both in my photo of 'Mrs. Foley-Hobbs' (id191199) with Mrs. F. in the lower middle, and "Mystery Cream Tea" off to the top right. Very different roses, with Mrs. F. being a more solid and upright bloom, and "Mystery" being loose and nodding.
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Discussion id : 108-501
most recent 15 FEB 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 FEB 18 by HubertG
I wasn't sure where to make this comment as there seems to be no entry for 'Susan Irvine's Cream Tea'. I've grown both 'Susan Irvine's Cream Tea' and Devoniensis before. To my mind they definitely aren't the same rose. It's a pity that Susan's cream tea has been fobbed off like this as it's likely to drop out of retail circulation now, if it hasn't already.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 15 FEB 18 by Ozoldroser
Hubert I think Patricia's plant came wrongly labelled and as such turned out to be Devoniensis and not "Susan Irvine's Cream Tea" which is the same as "Mystery Cream Tea" in WA and "Range View Pink Tea" in SA. I love "Range View PInk Tea" which was found in an old property at Keyneton. I feel that they are an earlier Tea than 'Devoniensis' but that is only my thoughts.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 15 FEB 18 by Patricia Routley
HubertG - the caption for my 2005 photo ideally needed updating.
I will repeat my Comment of 28 January, 2015 here:
"As far as I understand it, Susan Irvine found “Camnethan Cherry Red” and the cream “Louie Wilson” at Camnethan Homestead. There is a photo of “Louie Wilson” on p74 of her Susan Irvine’s Rose Gardens. This foundling eventually turned out to be either ‘Devoniensis’ or ‘Chromatella’ (sorry I don’t recall which). Susan has said in private correspondence that she knows nothing about “Mystery Cream Tea”, which is a different rose.
Unfortunately when “Chapel Tea” (syn “Mystery Cream Tea”) went into a nursery, it was mislabeled and went out to the public as “Susan Irvine’s Cream Tea”."

So, if your rose is not 'Devoniensis, it may well be 'Chromatella' or "Mystery Cream Tea".

Pat - you might like to have a look at the photo of the hips that Herbert was responding to.
My rose came as "Susan Irvine's Cream Tea", but it was not that. My hip photo proves that it was not 'Devoniensis' either. I have always believed that it is the same as "Mystery Cream Tea" in WA and have placed four photos of it in that file in the past.
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