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Discussion id : 113-171
most recent 22 SEP 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 21 SEP 18 by UrbanRoseMan
So glad to find your new garden Cliff. Always wondered what you were up to after closing Eurodesert. Thanks for sharing your great photos.
Thanks for your kind comment. My garden continues to decrease in size each year, I'm afraid. It's become more and more difficult to maintain a large rose gardens as the years advance (in terms of my age) and as the long, hot desert summers continue to get worse year after year.
Discussion id : 91-594
most recent 23 MAR 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 19 MAR 16 by CarolynB
Hi Cliff,

I'm considering adding the rose Welsh Gold to my garden. I see that you grow it, and that your climate is similar to mine. Will you tell me about your experience with it, with regard to disease resistance, bloom quantity and frequency, level of thorniness, and fragrance? (The HMF description page says it has a strong fragrance, but doesn't say what kind of fragrance.)

Thank you for any information you can give me.

I've just returned from a few weeks in Boston visiting my mother, whose health has been in a steady decline for quite some time and found your message,Carolyn.

At first I didn't recognize the name of the rose, as I bought and grew it as Welwyn Garden Glory, which is its ARS Approved Exhibition name and I hadn't heard the name Welsh Gold. In any event, I did import this rose and grew it in my garden in the high desert when I owned EuroDesert Roses. I do not have it in my current garden in the low desert, so I am unable to give you any information on how it might do for you in this climate.

It was an attractive rose in the high desert, but in all honesty wasn't a standout. I would imagine that its blooms would be smaller in this warmer environment. I have absolutely no specific recollections about it. I had roughly 5,000 roses in the ground in my display garden in the high desert, in addition to the 10,000 roses I usually had in inventory at the nursery, so I had precious little free time. This meant that a rose really had to have something exceptional that caught my attention, and this rose didn't rise to that level.

I'm sorry that I can't offer you more encouragement, I don't know how many roses you now grow, but I saw that you had 22 roses in 2008. Even if you now have several times that number in your garden, I would think that there are many, many roses which will do far better for you than Welwyn Garden Glory (Welsh Gold).

Best of luck to you,


I hope the response I just wrote was sent successfully. Please let me know if you didn't receive it.

Discussion id : 83-612
most recent 28 APR 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 MAR 15 by Salix

Can you spare a cutting of 'Angelita Ruaix' ? Of course, I will cover costs...
I've had a look and there's nothing that I could send at this time. Please check back with me in about six weeks and I'll look again.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 28 APR 15 by Salix
About 6 weeks past. How is it doing?
Discussion id : 75-738
most recent 28 DEC 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 DEC 13 by Anastasia Dimitriu-Shupp

Hi, Cliff! Would it be possible to get cuttings of your mb 'Monet', or a plant if you have it? I'd be happy to pay you!

Also looking for 'Perfume Tiger'...but it doesn't appear on this list, so not sure if it made it to your new location?
I'm not sure what you mean by "mb." The Monet I have here is, I believe, the Great Western Monet introduced in 1996. I don't have any plants for sale here (of anything). Where are you located? I could send cuttings to you if you provide your mailing address, given that I'm not aware that this rose is covered by a U.S. patent.

Reply #2 of 4 posted 28 DEC 13 by Anastasia Dimitriu-Shupp
Hi, Cliff!

Yes, that 'Monet' (mauve blend), not the apricot blend JAClion introduced at the same time with the same name, that was renamed the following year to 'Grand Impression'. :)

I'm in San Diego, and would love cuttings! I had an original budded plant (about a #1.5 or #2 grade) from the Michigan Bulb Company...Great Western supplies it and its sister companies. I purchased two additional plants--own root--from Vintage Gardens. All three died for various reasons (the budded was weak, I gave one own-root as a gift that died due being overwhelmed by my friend's armillaria-infested soil, and the third was pulled out by an overzealous gardener), and would really like to try again before it's wholly lost to history.

How can we exchange information? I used to be on your old mailing list, but that might not be easy. I can offer you cuttings of 'Aptos', if you're interested? Most of the rest of my roses are more mainstream.

Thanks for the response!!! :)
I just sent a private message to you via HMF. You can respond to that and it will be sent to me as a private message that other members and non-members cannot see.

Thanks, but I am downscaling my garden and almost without exception cannot add new roses at this point. I've grown Aptos before and it's a lovely rose, but I'm not able to add it to this garden.

Reply #4 of 4 posted 28 DEC 13 by Anastasia Dimitriu-Shupp
Thanks...I just replied. :)
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