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15 MAY by
Cambridgelad
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I can provide a list of roses found at Hampton Court
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15 APR 21 by
Cambridgelad
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I would love to add a fuller list of roses found here.
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#1 of 18 posted
15 APR 21 by
 scvirginia
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Do you have an official list, or know the garden well enough to make one?
Virginia
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#2 of 18 posted
15 APR 21 by
Cambridgelad
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I have a list of some of the roses here and also in Queen Mary's Garden.
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#3 of 18 posted
15 APR 21 by
scvirginia
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If I can get the list(s) from you, I can add the roses. Should I use the e-mail in your profile to contact you?
Also, I'm not at all familiar with English gardens— do you mean Queen Mary's Garden at Regent's Park, or is that a garden at Hampton Court?
Best regards,
Virginia
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#4 of 18 posted
15 APR 21 by
Cambridgelad
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Yes you can or would it be better for me to add the gardens again, as they are public gardens, and this would be easier for me. I am now a Priemer Member.
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#5 of 18 posted
15 APR 21 by
scvirginia
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If you can do it yourself, that's great. If you need help, let me know.
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#6 of 18 posted
15 APR 21 by
Patricia Routley
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It may be better to persuade the garden management themselves to add to HelpMeFind the list of roses they grow. Only they know the roses that have died over time or others that have been been replaced. It is a HelpMeFind request that such lists be updated regularly.
I suggest the Gardens start by looking at the HelpMeFind’s SITE FEATURES / PLANT LISTS.
I have spent much time adding the roses to the gardens of:
Saumarez Homestead Gardens
Stirling Square
Falls Farm
Newtown Park and Queensland State Rose Garden
Evenley Wood Garden
Nola Simpson Rose Garden
The Kodja Place Australian Rose Maze and
Rookwood Cemetery
Not once have I ever been notified of any additions or deletions to those listings.
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#7 of 18 posted
17 APR 21 by
scvirginia
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It can hardly be a requirement if there's no way to check or enforce it, so is it better to have an imperfect list or no list at all?
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#8 of 18 posted
17 APR 21 by
Patricia Routley
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Sorry Virginia, I used the wrong word. I’ve changed requirement to request.
My feeling is better no list than an incorrect one.
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#9 of 18 posted
18 APR 21 by
scvirginia
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I guess my question then is why does HMF list gardens' roses at all?
There could be a number of reasons I might want to see a list of a garden's rose offerings, but none of those reasons would require that the list be perfectly current and complete.
If I'm planning a trip, and want to use the list to see what kinds of roses different gardens have, it doesn't matter if the lists are perfect. Or if someone tells me they don't know the name of a rose they want, but they saw it at Garden Z, and it was a pink floribunda, a list might help me figure out what rose it was.
If you couldn't get someone to update the roses at Rookwood, would you just delete the holdings?
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#10 of 18 posted
18 APR 21 by
Cambridgelad
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Virginna, agree fully and think we should it wont hurt to allow the Premium Members to update the Public Gardens. They could be even listed separately and it would be a great guide to others. Anything that helps HelpMeFind Roses the Premium WORLDWIDE site. Hence I wish to increase the UK information.
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#18 of 18 posted
19 APR 21 by
scvirginia
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Cambridgelad, it's great that you want to help expand our information about public gardens, but I hope you realize that being a premium member improves your ability to use the site, but doesn't make you an administrator. I doubt that you are able to change public garden listings.
HMF is not a rose wiki, with any member able to add or edit everything. You can add photos, you can do what you like with your own account, you can comment and make suggestions for informational changes, but HMF has volunteer administrators who add and edit information about varieties based on reputable, published sources, and with an awareness of copyright law, including fair use practices.
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#11 of 18 posted
18 APR 21 by
jedmar
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Virginia, one other important reason is to ascertain if a rose is extinct or still blooming somewhere in a garden. Many roses which were "Declared Extinct" in Modern Roses were found alive and well somewhere. This is important for rose conservation efforts.
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#12 of 18 posted
18 APR 21 by
scvirginia
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I'm not saying it isn't helpful to get updates if we can, but to say no list is better than an incorrect list seems to ignore the reality that there are always imperfections with any information. Should we let the perfect be the enemy of the good?
If someone like Cambridgelad volunteers to give a list of roses that we didn't have before, why shut that person down? What if that rose garden has something previously thought to be extinct?
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#13 of 18 posted
18 APR 21 by
Give me caffeine
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A very practical approach. :) Obviously we should always try to make things as accurate as possible, but misidentification can happen in any garden so there is never a guarantee of infallibility.
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#14 of 18 posted
19 APR 21 by
Duchesse
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agree wholeheartedly.
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#15 of 18 posted
19 APR 21 by
Marlorena
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..just to add in case you're not aware, but in Spring 2016, a large border backed by a high wall, which had been a rose garden here for 100 years, was replaced and replanted by the Historic Roses Group.. I have a list of the roses that went in if required.. I do not know which roses were taken out. There may have been some more additions since, along the wall..
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#16 of 18 posted
19 APR 21 by
Cambridgelad
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Thank certainly would be great, Marlena. Can you please email me a copy (acambridgelad@gmail.com)
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#17 of 18 posted
19 APR 21 by
Marlorena
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Yeah, no problem... I'll send it to you later, give me a sec to get it sorted...
ok.. just sent..
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