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Cliff's High Desert Garden Archival Dec, 2011 last updated 101812
Discussion id : 120-213
most recent 23 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 13 FEB 20 by B R SAYERS
Hi Cliff hope you can help me, I live in Gloucester, England and I see you had a rose in 2011 called City of Gloucester, do you still have it. Here in England I can no longer get this rose. Please can you contact me.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 13 FEB 20 by Kim Rupert
Hi, this isn't Cliff. You messaged through an archive of what Cliff had when he operated his Euro Desert Roses Nursery, which he closed several years ago. The roses listed on this archive is what he HAD years ago and no longer exist. Due to health issues, he isn't engaged in the "rose business" any longer. I'm sorry.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 14 FEB 20 by B R SAYERS
Hi and thank you very much for taking the trouble to make contact. Very sorry to here of Cliffs bad health. Now I am stumped a bit have no contact leads in America oh well must keep trying to find this rose.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 14 FEB 20 by Kim Rupert
Hi, no trouble. I understand the "want" without being able to "have". Unfortunately, unless you can find the rose in a US nursery which exports, there wouldn't be a way for you to obtain it from the US. Several years ago, Week's Roses committed an unthinkably stupid error. They received "research material" for their Rose Rosette Disease research program and intensely stupidly propagated it IN their commercial production fields. Rose Rosette Disease had NOT been an issue in the Wasco, California rose production fields UNTIL Week's brought it in and then infected heaven knows how much material over three or four YEARS before discovering it. Depending upon whom you believe, they either "took Herculean efforts and contained it all", or they did what they thought they had to do and who knows how much of the disease they spread around the world?". From personal experience, German nurseries were already highly neurotic about receiving RRD infected material. Once the potential spread of the Week's infection became known, it became even more difficult to export material from this country. And, I do NOT blame the receiving nurseries one bit.

Reportedly, City of Gloucester grows in Sangerhausen in Germany and Fineschi Garden in Italy. Perhaps if you contacted the Beales Nursery there in Britain or Bierkreek in The Netherlands, one of them may be able to obtain propagation material from one of those gardens and bud you some plants of the rose?
Reply #4 of 6 posted 23 APR by Bug_girl
So what happened to all of Cliff's roses?
Reply #5 of 6 posted 23 APR by Kim Rupert
Many were sold and/or given away to good, loving homes. Some were taken to his new home and planted. The last I knew he still had a garden. With heat, water and time, I don't know what may still be there.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 23 APR by Bug_girl
If you check out Cliff's low desert garden, he discussed what happened with all the roses! They are somewhere out there in private and public gardens!
Discussion id : 116-517
most recent 2 MAY 19 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 MAY 19 by TxsGypsy
I am looking for a rose. It is very important for me to find this
particular rose.

Deep pink Miniature.
Registration name: Carol-Jean
Bred by Ralph S. Moore (United States, 1977).
Introduced in United States by Sequoia Nursery, Moore Miniature Roses Historic Archive in 1977 as 'Carol-Jean'.
Introduced in Australia by Roy H. Rumsey Pty. Ltd. in 1981 as 'Carol-Jean'.
Deep pink. Mild fragrance. 25 to 30 petals. Small, cluster-flowered, in small clusters, cupped bloom form. Prolific, blooms in flushes throughout the season.
Short, bushy, rounded, well-branched. Medium green foliage.
Height of 1' to 14" (30 to 35 cm).
USDA zone 5b and warmer. Can be used for beds and borders, cut flower or garden. Hardy.
Discussion id : 100-422
most recent 4 JUN 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 JUN 17 by mamabotanica
How amazing that you have so many beautiful roses! We are in Pasadena. I'm very new to roses. Would love to come visit some day!
Discussion id : 99-010
most recent 4 MAY 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 MAY 17 by Rosarian-du-Nord
Do you have Rosa canina 'Creme' as the HMF website says you do?
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