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Casoretti, Giovanni
Discussion id : 66-497
most recent 21 AUG 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 AUG 12 by andrewandsally
Surely the peony breeder is Casoretto born in Chiavari.
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Discussion id : 66-463
most recent 19 AUG 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 AUG 12 by andrewandsally
Perpenti's list of Casoretti's roses is different: Ayez, Palagi, conte Taverna, Pasta, Noisette inermis, microphylla Bordoni, e le rose “Thea” Traversi, Strambio, Gabrini, Pallavicini, Nankin e Compton. As you can see, it co-incides with Manetti's in some elements. The variety 'Palagi', one might guess, derives its name from the painter/architect Pelagio Pelagi with whom Casoretti later conducted an exchange of letters relating to the Gothic Tower in the garden of Villa Traversi. Probably it is this rose, though spelled 'Pallaggi', that is amply described in Annales de l'Institut de Fromont (1827, p.142) just above another Casoretti rose, Conte Taverna: "Pallaggi – Hybride de Bengale. A bush of medium vigour, green stems and armed with numerous irregular wild red thorns; small leaves composed of round leaflets, quite smooth with blunt notches, rather velvety and pale green below born on a hairy petiole; round ovary, bare; sepals simple, large; flowers 3 inches, semi-full, brightest, dazzling purple red, with large external petals, notched (jagged) at the top, less red outside than inside, interior petals smaller towards the centre and some right at the centre marked by a white line along the midrib. The disk is a greenish cone formed of fused foliaceous styles so that this rose cannot bear fruit naturally or pollinated artificially, but it has good stamens that can pollinate other flowers."
There are several other roses with not dissimilar names though not necessarily the same plant, so a fair amount of unravelling needs to be done. Certainly the Institut de Fromont seems to have marketed several Lombard rose. For example, the 1832 Annales lists, apart from 'Belle de Monza' (Rosier-Bengales), 'Comptoniana', 'Lord Byron', the teas 'Belle Traversi' and 'Pallaviccini' and 'Strombio', and the Rosier-hybrides 'Casorettiana', 'Comte Taverna' and 'Pellagi'.
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Discussion id : 65-866
most recent 18 JUL 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 JUL 12 by andrewandsally
Basic information on Casoretti:
He was born at Rovello in the Province of Como on 6 April 17971. He started as an apprentice gardener under Giuseppe Tagliabue in Conte Litta’s famous garden at Lainate in 1814 before moving to Milan in 1818 to work for Giuseppe Bellati. Here, apart from being responsible for Bellati’s garden, he ran a commercial nursery on his own account. In 1822 he was appointed Director of what by then was the Villa Traversi, following the firing after more than twenty years as head gardener of Antonio Villoresi. Giovanni Casoretti soon became renowned as a botanist and horticulturalist. At Desio, as in Milan, he ran the estate’s nursery, probably founded by Antonio Villoresi, breeding a wide range of plants and introducing new plants from abroad. Casoretti’s death, following a short illness, was announced to his employers by a letter sent by the estate’s factor on 8 November 1846. There followed a long legal dispute between Casoretti’s family members and Traversi, which ended many years later with the lawyer making them a derisory payment. Much of this is based on Pertusati, Francesco: Cenni biografici sopra Giovanni Casoretti in Il Giardiniere, Giornale d’orticoltura teorica e pratica per giardinieri, coltivatori di fiori, amatori di giardini d’ogni genere, Milano, 1852, p.211.
Two principle sources for his roses are Perpenti's description of the Villa Traversi garden in Descrizioni della citta' di Monza e sua Basilca, dell'I.R. Palazzo, Giardini e Parco e delle Ville piu' rinomate de' suoi dintorni and Manetti's contribution to The Gardener's Magazine 1836 p.448. A description of the garden in 1830 can be found in Francois-Philibert Fontaneilles: Du Jardin de M. Traversi, a Desio dans le Milanais, in Annales de la Société d’Horticulture de Paris, et Journal special de l’état e des progress du Jardinage, Tome Septième, Paris 1830, p.50. The first (and perhaps only) part of his account of camellia growing in that garden can be found in Bossi: Annali universali di agricoltura, industria ed arti economiche, Milano, sett-ott 1831, p.142.
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Discussion id : 52-785
most recent 10 MAR 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 MAR 11 by andrewandsally
You nowhere mention Dr Luigi Sacco's garden. Sacco, a physician, according to Giuseppe Manetti's account in The Gardener's Magazine, vol 16 p307, with "a great many varieties of the rose...such as the Maria Luigina, Bella Aurora, Imperatrice, Carolina, Coloural, Bella Archinto, indica foliacea, Hardy, odoratissima, violacea, microphylla rosea, m coccinea, m alba, which three are frequently called Maria Leonida alba, coccinea rosea and Noisettiana campanultata."

I don't understand your Casoretti notes. About a week ago I checked Casoretti and found only Cabrini (Cabrisi). Maybe this fuller note that I now see is based on information from me (I've sent you several emails relating to Italian roses of late). Two days or so ago, however, I found another list which I now cannot find, which included Bella Judith. One more thing on Casoretti Snr, in Il Gardiniere, il Giornale pei Giardinieri of 1852, he is credited with having in 1830 (I'm told this is an obituary article) "over 500 Bengal rose bushes, which include more than 130 of the choicest varieties bred by him using artificial pollination and seeds."

If the information didn't come from me I'd like to know who else is working onthis field. But that may be against your rules. For myself I'd be happy to share information.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 10 MAR 11 by Jocelyn Janon
Hello Andrew.

The information on Casoretti is coming from my personal work. I will contact you via email and see if we can come with a more complete information for HMF.

Jocelen.
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