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Hi. Just became a member and I have a question. I grew some roses many years ago and want to start growing them again. I'm very interested in two bourbons and cannot make up my mind as to which one. First, Mme. Earnest Calvat or Boule de Neige. I'm in northeastern Ohio, zone 5b and I want very fragrant roses. I love both roses forms, but, I've read that BdN is not very fragrant, yet, it is disease resistant, where MEC is not. I've done as much reading as I can find on both roses. Can anyone growing BdN give me any information on it's scent and the strength of it? I would sure appreciate it as BdN is a more practical rose for me, but, if it's not very fragrant I will pass it up.
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#1 of 7 posted
5 NOV 22 by
Frenzy
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Boule de Neige ist very fragrant, has strong Bourbon/Centifolia fragrance. Also very disease resistant. It will definitely need winter protection in zone 5b though. If I had to chose between BdN and MEC, I would go with BdN.
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Thank you, Frenzy I appreciate the info. I'm in zone 6a and I've read that BDN is winter hardy to zone 5. What is confusing is different nurseries say different things about it. Angel Gardens says it is slightly fragrant and Peter Beale says strong rose scent. When I made the first post I assumed I was still in zone 5 and later found out it's changed to 6. However, I plan on giving all my new roses winter protection for the first year. BND has a smaller rose, but, the shape is just beautiful as are her buds.
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I don’t do any winter protection here in Spokane (my yard is very cold; likely more zone 5 than 6). It usually sails through just fine it’s on the east side of the house.
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For my white roses I ended up getting Madame Plantier, an Alba, and am ordering Madame Hardy as soon as one comes available. I am also getting Konigin Von Danemark ( Queen of Denmark), also and Alba because of their disease resistance and beautiful blooms and fragrance. I planted Madame Plantier late last summer and I worried about it dying over the winter, but, it's leafing out beautifully and looking very healthy, though, small.
Thank you for your reply, princess.
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May I ask where did you find KvD?
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6 days ago by
 Lee H.
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I got mine from David Austin US, but alas, they are sold out for this season.
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Both Heirloom Roses and High Country Roses have Konigin Von Danemark. It's such a beautiful rose I don't care if it only blooms once a year. Both roses are sold out right now, but, will be available soon, so, keep lookiing at these sites or put in a wish for them and they will email you when they are ready.
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This plant returned with just snow mulch in Alaska.
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I believe it. I had a devastating winter a year ago that froze nearly everything dead to the ground but Crested Moss didn’t even blink.
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30 JUN 12 by
Leene
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This is a really great rose. It only grows in short spurts but has defended itself admirably against insect damage during a very heavy aphid infestation this spring. The flowers are beautiful and last for a long time on the plant. I recommend it highly!
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#1 of 4 posted
12 MAY 17 by
Gdisaz10
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How is the bush of this rose? In my climate it does not grow very much and remains small. Does any of you have one that has reached the size indicated?
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12 MAY 17 by
Leene
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Pretty small compared to my other roses. I've had it since the fall of 2011 and it's not even two feet tall. The canes do have a tendency to flop, though.
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13 MAY 17 by
jedmar
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It is about 5 feet in our garden in zone 7b. Height might also depend on the understock used.
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In my Spokane (zone 5/6) garden it’s at least as large as described. Super tough and suckers a bit. Mine is own-root. It’s plenty vigorous!
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I agree with the assessment that Soleil d'Or is very cold hardy. It just came out of a winter that killed anything grafted and knocked most of my roses back to the ground. Here in Spokane, WA (zone 5, high desert) blackspot and mildew are extremely rare - mine is completely healthy with no special treatment. Just some triple 16 in Spring and irrigation.
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thank you for the info.
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That is surprising because the Pernetianas which I think were bred from 'Soliel d'Or' are notoriously not hardy at all, or so I understand. The Persian plateau does get very cold, I believe, so maybe Tea influence predominates in the Pernetianas.
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Pernetianas is from hot & dry climate, so they prefer alkaline soil. Pat Austin (orange) gets that fruity Pernetiana scent, and is very hardy in my alkaline clay. I killed more roses in the winter by making my soil acidic, than other factors. Still remember how I almost killed Wise Portia (prefer alkaline) by giving it used grapefruit water in freezing cold February. And more roses die through the winter if we have tons of acidic rain.
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Makes sense - our soil/water is alkaline. Roses seem to love it - assuming they can tolerate cold, dry winters and hot, dry summers.
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Sounds like my Chicagoland zone 5a climate. We don't have much snow in the winter, but extreme cold temp., -30 F below zero windchill factor. I grew up in Michigan, that was warmer & more snow. Summer here is hotter than Michigan, now it's 3 weeks with no rain, and temp. in the 90's. The grass is turning brown.
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But other hybrid foetida roses - Austrian Copper, for example, are very hardy.
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Is your soil loamy & fluffy alkaline, or dense & heavy clay alkaline? . Thanks for any info.
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I'd say it's fairly hardpan, although it is likely alkaline since it's E. WA. The challenge is that we don't have much topsoil of any kind since we live surrounded by basalt, so we amend with our well rotted compost pile a lot. Basically, use the compost pile as soil! Everything loves that...we have livestock, so it's full of well cooked sheep, horse, and chicken manure.
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