|
|
Belmont 
-
-
-
-
|
Vintage Gardens' catalogue says this rose re-blooms in the fall, and I have seen it classfied as an alba-noisette. Do others find that it re-blooms, and if it does, can 'alba' be a correct classification?
|
REPLY
|
|
My five year old bush, on its own roots, flowered for a long time in spring and summer. But now, eight days into our Autumn, shows no signs at all of any buds. I will watch it closely over the next three months and photograph anything of interest. Graham Stuart Thomas says of it " A stranger to this [Alba] group in several ways."
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#2 of 7 posted
8 MAR 09 by
jedmar
|
All the early sources say it is an alba or a hybrid alba. If Verdier did indeed cross an alba ('Celestial', 'Félicité Parmentier', Maiden's Blush' ? - would be interesting to compare) with a Noisette, some scattered repeat might be expected at best. Cross it again (if possible) with a repeating Noisette and see what happens.
|
REPLY
|
|
Thank you. Interesting suggestions. 1876 (or 1875) would be quite late for someone to be breeding pure albas.
I'm struggling with several of these questionable noisettes; eg Claire Jacquier (multiflora x Tea?), Not Parks' Yellow (Tea-noisette?). Do they smell like noisettes rather than Teas? I haven't grown any of these. And then there's Mme Plantier.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#4 of 7 posted
8 MAR 09 by
jedmar
|
I am still baffled by 'not Parks Yellow'. It should be so easy to find the name of a yellow once-blooming climber with 7-9 leaflets! I do not think it is a classic Tea-Noisette, that would be repeating. The foliage seems to bring in in the direction of Fortune's Double Yellow..
Regarding 'Claire Jacquier', the Multiflora-part is incorrect; it is a descendant of the mysterious Rosa polyantha (which was a double form of R. multiflora - maybe an old garden cultivar), not R. multiflora Thunb. When you make that change, the blooms, the habit fall in place.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#5 of 7 posted
9 MAR 09 by
jedmar
|
I looked at sources on Mme Plantier. The "alba" connection is first presumed fifty years after it was bred. Before that, it was always Hybrid noisette or hybrid china. Why alba? Because of the white blooms and the thornlessness? The sepals could be alba or damask, the foliage does not have alba-character, I understand. I checked the combination button eye and thornlessness and ended up with a number of gallicas. That will not help. A cross Lamarque x Mme Hardy would have been nice as parents, if Mme Hardy had pollen.
|
REPLY
|
|
Thank you; again, interesting ideas. Mme Plantier's lack of remontancy and tendency to sucker a bit on its own roots set it apart from most roses labelled noisette (or "possibly an old noisette rediscovered"), and fit with an Old European parent. My interest stems from working out which ones to include in a noisette collection. I'm leaving out the Mlle Blanche Laffitte x Sappho cluster ("bourbon-noisettes"), which don't seem to have any claim to the name.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#7 of 7 posted
18 SEP 21 by
Belmont
|
I have one bloom on this in mid September 2021 (in North America)
|
REPLY
|
-
-
|
This might be Harison's Salmon.
|
REPLY
|
-
-
|
Vintage offered two candidates for this rose. I assume this is the one they got from Antique Rose Emporium. I got the other one, which they got from Ruth Knopf. I just posted photos of the latter for comparison.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#1 of 3 posted
2 JAN 21 by
HubertG
|
Does anyone know from where Ruth Knopf got her 'Princesse de Sagan'?
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#2 of 3 posted
3 JAN 21 by
Belmont
|
All I know is what I read in the catalog. Gregg Lowry or Phillip Robinson might know more. I imagine if they knew Ruth Knopf's source they would have listed that in the catalog instead. Maybe that means she found and identified it? I looked on the Friends of Vintage Roses site and they don't have a curator for the tea roses right now, but maybe someone there could help.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#3 of 3 posted
3 JAN 21 by
HubertG
|
Thanks. It would be interesting to know the provenance of this rose. It does bear some resemblance in form to some of the early catalogue illustrations.
|
REPLY
|
|
