HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
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Initial post 10 APR 10 by AnneU
Could it be that Rosa pimpinellifolia plena and Rosa spinosissima plena are the same? See both rose in HMF.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 11 APR 10 by Cass
It is possible and very hard to determine, as the French name is cited only in Vibert's catalogs from the early 1800s. The naming of Hybrid Spinosissimas is a terrible mess.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 APR 10 by AnneU
I understand, thanks for your reply
Reply #3 of 3 posted 24 JUN by Vladimír Ježovič
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Initial post 9 MAR 08 by Pat W
There is a new line of Kordes Roses being offered by Palatine and Northland Rosarium. These roses are not listed anywhere. Not on Koreds website, help me find, google, ect. In conversations with both nurseries neither can supply plant info. Carol at Northland contacted her suppier who was unable to help. Carol was kind enough to offer 4 Flower Circus varieties free of charge as test plants to gather information on them. I was curious about diease resistance, possible balling of many petaled rose, ect. The only info found was that a sister company in USA working with Kordes may be growing them for release in states to compete with Radlers Knock Outs ect. Would anyone know of these roses. Thankyou so much Pat W
Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 MAR 08 by Cass
Hi, Pat W.
Flower Circus Roses can be viewed on the Kordes Rosen website in German. There are about 25 varieties. They are not Standard roses, however. This is the Kordes line of patio roses for growing in pots. I'm not sure they compete with Knock Out. They are described as "vigorous" and "compact" and are shown growing in about 7 gallon containers.

They will be added to HMF in the next day or so. Thanks for pointing them out!
Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 MAY by amc439
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Initial post 20 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
what is the life span or a rose bush? in general..
Reply #1 of 4 posted 20 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
Hi Andrew. I am not sure what the average lifespan of a rose is, I think it depends on the class of rose. According to Guinness Book of Records, the world's oldest rose is in Tombstone AZ. It is a Lady Banksiae which is 122 years old and 8600 sq feet. I personally have a Rosa Wichuraiana which is over 30 years. Jody
Reply #2 of 4 posted 23 JUN 07 by Wendy C.
My father-in-law has a Peace and Mr. Lincoln which are nearly fifty years old. Given good growing conditions, and nothing terrible befalling them (severe cold, disease, etc) I think 10-20 years is not uncommon. I've got a couple which are 13 years old and going strong, and they've been moved all over creation as I've moved three times.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 12 MAY by amc439
hey thanks for your comment
Reply #3 of 4 posted 23 JUN 07 by Cass
I've documented a rose that is about 100 years old, planted in the garden of a family home that remains in the same family. The plant is enormous, at least 15 feet wide and 12 feet tall, the variety we call 'Le Vésuve.'
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Initial post 15 MAR 10 by kev
again the picture here does not fit the rose described .the rose is a white/pale pink. the picture here is that of a bright rose pink type there are so many like this here. that i doubt the professional objectivity and research savy of those who built this site. to say the least i am disapointed.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 15 MAR 10 by Jeff Britt
I believe that the photo is one of a plant sold as or labeled as Madame Dubost. You will note on the description page that the roses photographed may have a different identity. HMF actually HELPS identify roses mislabeled in commerce or public gardens. There are many old 19th century roses in collection and commercial nurseries with incorrect names. Most people here recognize this. Just the same, until the plant is correctly identified, isn't it better to identify it as it is sold or seen? What else should we call the photographed rose? If you have any better ideas, please offer them. The point is to confuse as few people as possible while working to correctly identify old roses. And this site had done much to accomplish that.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 15 MAR 10 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Here here!

HMF is the most comprehensive and up to date collection of rose information ever assembled, most FREE to the public.

Many roses exist mis-labeled in old collections and arboretums as seems to be the case here.

We're all doing our best to make heads or tails of the information being presented. It is through the generous efforts of those donating time and energy that the site exists at all.

It's very easy to criticize and much more difficult to be constructive in terms of making the information presented as accurate as possible.

Much thanks to all involved.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 15 MAR 10 by Cass
Thanks for the votes of confidence. There's nothing like criticism to motivate us to find more old rose references. In this case, those references disclose a range of color descriptions from dark bright pink to pinkish white with bright pink center. Somehow, over time, those descriptions have been distilled to two words: "light pink." Two similar rose names further complicate the task. After reviewing contemporaneous sources, I do not share the the anonymous poster's certitude that the color of this rose is pale pink.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 15 MAR 10 by jedmar
It seems that you have not fully understood the nature of HMF. Photos can be posted by every member, References by administrators. It happens that photos are not in line with the descriptions. This can be an indication that the rose in commerce or in gardens is incorrectly identified. The following process of comparison and discussion leads to better insights.

I also believe it would be more honest to have your criticisms posted under your name, and not anonymously.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 5 APR by Michael Garhart
HMF is a volunteer system, which means you can also add insight. It improves year by year. When I first joined HMF, when it was new, the only other thing that existed were a few small online listings and places like bulbnrose. I joined HMF when it was new, and I have contributed to it every year. Many of us have. It's a mostly selfless act. You should too :D The more accurate, the better.
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