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Initial post 1 MAY 09 by Cass
Has anyone compared Prof. Ganiviat to the rose in commerce in the USA as Archduke Charles? As a young plant, the rose in commerce as Archduke Charles was vaguely credible as a china, primarily because of the scent of the blooms, which is like cherry candy. The blooms color is very distinct: lighter at the center, with lovely deeper red outer petals, the whole bloom aging to deep carmine red. Here's a one in a thousand:

But this spring it shot up a stout, thick, five foot/ 1.5m basal topped by a typical Tea inflorescence. It's armed with red prickles on new wood. In old cemeteries, it is very upright. I posted a huge image of that basal which, because it's so large, shows the shape of the buds and inflorescence (I planted the rose too close to Lavender Dream, which is the other foliage you see in this image.):

The leaflets are rounded, shiny, leathery and large - - one is almost 4 inches/10cm - - and rather modern looking.

I've confirmed that Professeur Ganiviat was introduced into commerce in the USA in 1891.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 19 AUG 12 by Geoff Crowhurst
This seems to be the same rose that has been called Princesse de Sagan in Australia for some time. I have seen very old plants growing in the Kew Cemetery in Melbourne, where it has grown to well over 6 feet in height, and about the same in width. One was cut down quite hard last season, but the plant responded surprisingly well, and bloomed exceptionally in late autumn. The leathery foliage looks as if survives our occasional scorching days in summer without trouble. The flowers last well when cut. It also strikes well from cuttings, so all in all seems a very desirable rose. I can't see how it has been called a China rose.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 MAY by Aussie rose lover
Yes I ha e noticed that confusion over names too.Both are exceptjo ally beautifully roses and
are on the opposite ends of the red spectrum.They deserve to grown and known by their real names.
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Initial post 4 JAN 07 by Michael Garhart
  • Parentage: (Anytime X Liverpool Echo) X [(Flamenco X Rosa Bella) X Baby Love]


    Bred by Horner, not Carruth. aka HORcoffitup

    Reply #1 of 3 posted 9 JAN 07 by Cass
    Thanks, I'll change this. Your source so I can add a reference? The code name is some kind of message.

    By the way, have you used to check patents? The transcription can be a little sketchy, but it's easier to read for these tired eyes. Are you reading patent applications now?
    Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 JAN by Michael Garhart
    Sorry I missed this question. I use multiple resources for patents, although I have slowed down considerably, considering most useful ones have been read through by now.
    Reply #2 of 3 posted 9 JAN 07 by Cass
    Now I see this rose listed with the British name, Celebration 2000. The parentage is noted there. It will be fixed.
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    Initial post 29 NOV 06 by jedmar

    George C. Thomas lists a

    "CL. WINNIE DAVIS. (CL.HT.) California Rose Co. 1913.

    Light salmon-pink in center, edges cream-flesh; large, fairly full. Strong grower. Good foliage."


    Source: "Roses for All American Climates", New York 1924, p. 164

    Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 DEC 06 by Cass
    This rose has been added. The introducer will be completed when more is known about California Rose Co.
    Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 OCT by CybeRose
    most recent 21 AUG SHOW ALL
    Initial post 4 JAN 10 by Jeff Britt
    It would be interesting to know more about the discovery of this rose. It certainly doesn't look like a tea, but it's hard to know what to think based on only a photograph.
    Reply #1 of 2 posted 4 JAN 10 by Cass
    I agree. Doesn't look like a Tea based on the leaf shape, although it could be an early HT.
    Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 AUG by Michael Garhart
    Only the blooms look tea-like to me, and some of the stems. The foliage looks heavily "Old French OGR" descended. It looks mixed indica/ogr to me, too.

    Is it possible that another rose is being circulated as the original?
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