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Initial post 14 JUN 18 by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
This rose has been reclassified as a mini-flora now by the ARS.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 14 JUN 18 by Patricia Routley
Kathy, I cannot find this rose at all in the Modern Roses database, either under Sharon's Delight or MORsharon?
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 14 JUN 18 by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Should be there under both. If it's not, I'll enquire. But FYI, ARS is coming out with a newly revamped database in early July.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 14 JUN 18 by Patricia Routley
I could not see it. Can you?
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 20 JUN by roseykat2
This rose should be a floribunda. Too big of a flower for MF.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 20 JUN by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Disagree. I showed it yesterday at the San Diego county fair as a miniflora single and it won its class. It is the same size as several other miniflora singles -- Poppy, Sunglow, Maroon 8, Tom Mayhew. It would be much too small to compete in the floribunda single classes like Playboy and Playgirl. The plant itself is also quite small for me -- good for a pot which is how I have it.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 20 JUN by roseykat2
Mine is the size of Paul Eckes, Jr
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 20 JUN by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Paul Ecke Jr. is not a florabunda -- it is officially classed as a "shrub." Moreover, here it has smaller miniflora-like size flowers, but generally in large, fairly widely spaced clusters, on a big plant. Shannon's Delight generally forms its blooms singly, and on a small plant. The possible variations on plant size and bloom type in roses are endless, and any classification system is bound to have outliers. C'est la vie.
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Initial post 16 MAY 14 by Michael Garhart
This rose, from what I have seen, has dark electric coral blooms, with classic HT form. They are not overly large, about French Lace size, but there are a lot of them.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 JAN 15 by roseykat2
I got this rose in an auction and the hot coral pink color description is right one the mark.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 13 JUN 18 by Michael Garhart
I hope it comes back on the market.
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most recent 24 DEC 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 DEC 17 by roseykat2
Marvelous rose that lasts a long time on the bush and cut. Even as a first year plant and own root, the stems are very long, making this a wonderful rose for the exhibitor. Even more surprising is the disease resistance here on the west coast. This is not usually the case for roses not hybridized in California.
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most recent 12 JAN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 13 NOV 14 by roseykat2
Can someone please explain why this fantastic rose has been removed from the American market? It is always a topic of visitors to rose shows.
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 13 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
Lots of nurseries are selling this rose in the USA... even in California, see the "Buy From" tab.
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 14 NOV 14 by Michael Garhart
Its just harder to find than 5 years ago, mostly because a lot of distributors went under or changed due to the economy.
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 15 APR 15 by bluebuster77
None of USA nursery sell black magic lately because Jackson & Perkins is exclusively hold patent of distributing this rose in USA. I spoke to many rosarians and nursery, they answer the same. No one able to budded bare root or propagate own root. But good new is J&P will reintroduce to the market hopefully in 2016. I just got 5 gallons potted Black Magic from Regan Nursery, Fremont CA
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 25 MAY 15 by roseykat2
Awesome news
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 25 MAY 15 by Michael Garhart
Washington Park removed all of their Black Magic, but left ONE tree form of it, in a random location. Since J/P went bankrupt, a lot of competition has emerged and taken over.


It is a difficult quandary. On one hand, J/P fell face first, because they were stuck in the 80s machine. "Bigger is better, 1980s Marketing." Concepts like Knock Out literally knocked them out, and so did the way they delivered product. But, the thing is, roses like Black Magic are so unique, despite their flaws. Not even Taboo is similar to it. It is a tough scenario.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 25 MAY 15 by roseykat2
The last plant I got from J&P 2 years ago, Disneyland, was horrible. Black Magic should be a grafted rose not own root, too. In So. Calif, Black Magic is a fabulous rose.
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 25 MAY 15 by Michael Garhart
Yeah, California is somewhat similar to a florist rose environment, so it likely does better there. It does well here (OR) in the growing season, but it has issues with the dark, wet winters.
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 25 MAY 15 by bluebuster77
Our San Jose municipal rose garden also removed Black Magic three years ago. J&P re-introduced limited quantity to Otto and Sons, Fillmore, CA and Regan nursery got some from them. Along with many new and old varieties of Jackson and Perkins roses, Elegant Lady, Change of Heart, Wildfire, Soft Whisper, Clouds of Glory, Daring Sprit, etc,etc. I'm also bought Soft Whisper and Clouds of Glory, really good new J&P roses, nobody realize that. I heard this re-intro news since bare root season began but I'm afraid to order from J&P most roses are not survived, poor quality. I rather paid buds out and blooms potted rose for $45
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 11 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
I saw that its now available on the J/P website. But after raising enough seedlings from it, I am abandoning it as a breeder. 100% mildew rate in seedlings.

I was hoping they would re-intro Merlot, the red/white bi-color, or Ronald Reagan. There are so few clean red/white bi-colors, and they seem okay.

For those that are reading this and do buy J/P Roses, I would recommend 'Cinnamon Girl'. It is really good. I am not a fan of J/P or miniatures in general, so that is my honest evaluation.
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 11 JAN 16 by bluebuster77
I saw fairest one and Ronald Regan few years ago in local nursery, wasn't sure those are good roses at this time. I have rare collection called Brandenburg Gate from Steve Singer of Wisconsin Roses. Well form large red with white reverse. Oh yeah anyone buying direct from J&P read scoop on Dave's garden watch dog. Bad negative rating ever!
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 12 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
It's interesting to me, that 'Love' is still the red/white garden staple. Some 35ish years later...
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