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23 FEB 09 by
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I've added a lot of information concerning the Roses bred by Rudolf Geschwind including the ancestry of these roses!
Now You want me to pay for looking at these informations!
As You always mentioned to my informations 'coming from Erich Unmuth' You accepted the Copyrights.
Therefore I ask You to delete all my contributions.
Yours faithfully
Erich Unmuth
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You did not contribute information to HMF, you contributed to the gardening community - your friends around the world - using the tool HMF provided for that exact purpose.
That's all we've ever wanted to provide, but this tool you all love so much is a lot more expensive than you realize. We simply can not afford to run HMF indefinitely without help from its site guests. Of course we could instead go the same route the original gardenWeb did; sell out to a large commercial concern so they could use the site to market credit cards and kitchen knives to you.
Do you realize how ironic it is for you to ask us to delete your contributions. You expect someone to be available to respond to your requests and take the time to make these changes on your behalf but you think HMF should be free. Do you work for free ? If so, how do you pay for food and shelter ?
You are welcome to delete you own contributions but be aware you are not punishing us, you are punishing the gardening community that so enjoys having this wonderful tool they use to share their love of roses with.
P.S. You're welcome for 11 years of completely free HMF paid for out our pockets.
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Your answer is rather curiously to me and it is quite invidious.
Therefore I repeat my demand for deletion of my contributions.
First of all I do not hide behind a nick!
Further anybody who knows me knows that I share my knowledge and experiance of more than 35 years in roses and their cultivation with anybody who is interested in.
That was possible before HMF exists and that will be possible without HMF.
All information about Old Garden Roses in which I'm interested in are on-hand otherwhere. So people who are interested in that part of the roseworld don't loose much. Modern roses are in this aspect quite different. You should keep an eye on that
You're asking if I'm working for free, and I can tell You my work for roses isn't even for free but it costs me a lot - that is to say it costs most of the money I earn on an other way!
I know clearly that something like HMF is expansive.
But only telling something costs a lot without any transparency is not a good way for looking for sympathy.
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You do not hide behind a "nick" but you don't hesitate to post as "anonymous".
Let me remind you that MOST of the information amassed on HMF is STILL 100% FREE to any and all site visitors. Only pedigree information is limited to paid users. Your gripe is unwarranted and reeks of selfishness.
Respectfully,
Paul Barden, HMF contributor and supporting member.
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Mr.Barden, already Your first sentence is wrong!
It is to everybody who reads the discussion clear that I'm not hiding myself behind an Anonymus, but writing as Erich Unmuth!
Again, what HMF has done is clearly against any standards we are having here in Europe in case of of Intellectual Ownership. What will be next?
Though I cannot see a spark of hope that You at least understand what You're starting to do I think we stop this unpleasant discussion!
Sincerely
Erich Unmuth
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Dear Mr. Unmuth,
If you view the main page of any rose you will see its parentage listed there. HMF is not, as you suggest, hiding plant parentage information from anyone. That information, as is 99% of HMF, free to all. You are confusing your contribution of simple parentage information (for a few roses it appears) with the complex end result of our lineage reporting system.
You continue to assert you are entitled to free access to the very unique, convenient and costly feature HMF provides to present parentage information in dynamic and extendable tree diagrams and to report complete descendant and parent lists. This difficult to develop, difficult to maintain and computer hardware intensive feature is of great use to a very limited portion of HMF's audience while the development and computer resources of this feature are disproportionately large compared to all of HMF's other features. We are entirely comfortable asking the people using this feature to help support the continuation of HMF by a very modest yearly subscription of $24.
We also feel any information you contributed to HMF was for the enlightenment of the rose community at large and not for the betterment of us at HMF. You don't seem to understand the concept of HMF. We provide the tool, you, the gardening community use it to its best advantage.
You also seem to place a enormous value on what appears to be a rather limited contribution of information - certainly relative to the information you are taking from HMF. In fact, we are having trouble identifying exactly when and what you contributed to HMF.
You say you have added roses to HMF but we do not allow most site guests to add new plants to our database so we will need some clarification here - we apologize for the confusion. Please list the unique information you feel you have contributed to HMF and we will see about removing it. In return we would ask you not return to HMF in the future.
Going forward, I suggest you, or possibly you with a group of your friends with similar hybridizing interests, contact a local software firm and pursue the development of your own plant parentage reporting and analysis system. Possibly they will do it for free if you provide them with parentage information. Should that not be the case, I hope out of the goodness of their hearts, they will develop your software at their own cost and let you use it for a tiny fraction of that cost.
Thank you for your past support of HMF and we are very sorry you do not feel the benefit HMF provides you is worth $2 per month.
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