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Claire 
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One of the best shrubs I've ever grown here in Houston -- well foliated, evergreen, new foliage is red, fading to a slightly glossy dark green with a glaucus tinge, staying like that for a long time; Impervious to fungus, very thrip resistant, gets slight damage but leaves are thick so it does not affect the overall appearance of the shrub.. Mine is in some dappled afternoon shade... It puts out new dark red to purple flowers 2-3 inches across abundantly and continuously from late February to May, more slowly through high summer and again abundantly from October to Christmas. Does not look like a china or a tea much; but also it does not really look or behave like a modern hybrid. ..
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Available from - The Antique Rose Emporium
http://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/roses/2224/winecup
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3 JAN by
Claire
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I got mine from ARE - one of the best plants I ever bought - and I just went looking for it again just now and was disturbed to find they no longer offer it. And now it seems rather difficult to find, though I see RPN selling it as "Winecup." But what happened I wonder...?
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30 JAN 22 by
Claire
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i recently ordered two plants of sweet drift from amazon. They came rather sad looking about two months ago in late november, dried out with a few dessicated leaves and no buds. I planted them right away on two properties about three miles apart in houston tx. One is on the north side of a house in a spot which has no direct sun in winter at all; the other gets maybe an hour of morning sun at this time of year. Both will be in increasing sun through spring and pretty much full sun from may to august but really I expected nothing to happen before the sun hit them in april. However both leafed out beautifully right away turning into perfectly round green leafy shrubs and both got lots of buds. The one with a teeny bit of sun, which has some ground covering asiatic jasmine under it and is planted close to some other roses (thus less air circulation overall) has got mildew all over the top, and has fewer viable buds, but is still blooming. The one with no direct sun at all but more air circulation has zero mildew and is blooming quite well. Both have flowers much bigger and a much darker pink than I expected. The flowers are close to two inches across and seem to last a long time on the bush in the cool weather, days and days with hardly any fading. You can see the fairy in the leaves very well though not at all in the flowers. So far it seems a very interesting plant aside from the fact that it clearly does not like being too near other plants.
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27 JUN 21 by
Claire
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The good: blooms reliably with big flowers even in high heat that have good substance and hold up well. They are strongly scented with the juicy ripe grapefruit scent I associate with china roses like Spice. I've not had any major problems with balling. A great flower for Houston.
The bad: soon after I planted her at the front of the bed (thinking of the eventual height as 35 inches; this was in 2017 before more recent comments from AZ), she put out a strong basal cane thick as my thumb that insisted on growing straight up to about six feet (this after being cut back twice). The cane branched out at the top and was putting out lots of new growth at the tips so I decided to go with the flow and make a tree rose. I cut off the smaller wimpier canes at the bottom. This worked for a couple years, she just kept on flowering at the top, but this spring we have had more rain than usual and she put out three strong new basals all going straight up, which I haven't the heart to cut off. I'll to have to bite the bullet and move her farther back though I worry she won't survive the transition. Maybe will start a cutting first. Anyway height dimensions given here do not seem to apply to hot places, where she definitely does not top off at 35 inches. Anticipate a tall fairly narrow shrub to six feet - perhaps more.
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27 JUN 21 by
HubertG
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That's a very interesting pattern of growth which makes me wonder even more if this is in fact on old European Hybrid Tea 'rediscovered' in China.
I wish I still had my plant but it looks like no one has it anymore in Australia. Mine never got that tall. I loved the fragrance!
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Same growth pattern here in Germany - cant comment though on year to year comparisons, as mine freezes to the ground every year. It always comes back, but takes its time....
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Claire, Where are you located? I've been looking everywhere to buy the plant, but Greenmantle doesn't ship to FL and Angel Gardens does have a mother plant but only does it by custom propagation (an extra $25 plus plant and shipping and handling).
Do you remember where you got yours?
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29 SEP 21 by
Claire
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I would have said Rose Petals Nursery but I can't confirm that. They don't seem to sell it now tho they do carry sui mei ren which appears similar to me. I have moved mine and it is still recovering and not back to its old shape. I might be able to take some cuttings next summer. I am in Houston.
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Claire, if that becomes needed, that'd be very generous and much appreciated. I recently found it on Long Ago Roses' 2021 inventory list. I've sent an email simply expressing my hope that they continue to offer it in 2022. Unfortunately, I will have to wait until late November to know. Still looking around. I called Northland Rosarium last week and they were very kind - they said they got it in the 90s but for one reason or another they don't have it or don't offer it anymore.
It's interesting to find something that used to be offered as a staple almost like the Peace rose go away in 10yrs.
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See the comments about what it does in spring.
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I might be missing what you're referring to - I see the comment posted by claire in June of this year saying that the plant seems to throw new basal canes straight up every few years. I like getting new basal canes. I actually try to encourage them.
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See Discussion id 118-056, by NikosR, as well as various comments attached to photos.
Apparently TIC has a severe tendency to ball in spring in some climates, so it can spend a lot of time looking like rubbish. I might try it sometime anyway, as spring is often dry where I am.
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29 SEP 21 by
Claire
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It has not balled for me that I can remember. It can be shy of flowers and like most roses will go semi dormant in July/August. But it has flowers, the flowers will be good - they generally open, always smell good, and keep their size and petal count in all seasons.
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Here, in Southern Germany, it sure balls a lot in rainy springs...but if the blooms open - its just wonderful
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In my Mediterranean climate, zone 9b, every flower balled in spring. I don't keep roses that look disgusting for a third of the growing season. (E Veyrat Hermanos was another one I removed.)
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