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Mel Hulse
most recent 28 MAR 21 SHOW ALL
Initial post 14 DEC 06 by Mel Hulse
Antoine Meilland's rose "Golden State", so named to commemorate his visit to California, won the 1937 Gold Medal at both the Concours de roses de Bagatelle, the City of Paris International competition for new roses, and at the International Rose Test Garden in Portland, Oregon, at that time symbolic of the best new rose in France and the United States.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 28 MAR 21 by BartBalk
We were wondering about the timing of the name. So Antoine Meilland visited California in 1937?
Do you know where he visited? Did he visit the California Nursery Company?

If they were ramping up for production to be maximum for the 1939-1940 Golden Gate International Exposition it make sense that they started production several years before 1939.
To my surprise, I found that the nursery sold the GS rose earlier than 1939 in one of their little brochures.

We have a movie (somewhere) of Robert Pyle and George Roeding, Jr. together, I think at the GGIE.
most recent 22 FEB 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 FEB 07 by Gregg Lowery
Tina Marie was not discovered by Phillip Robinson. We received this at Vintage Gardens from the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden; I think Mel Hulse can shed light on its origin.
Gregg Lowery
Reply #1 of 6 posted 23 FEB 07 by Mel Hulse
Tina Marie was one of the roses originally planted in the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. Unfortunately, I no longer have a reference as to where we got it beyond it having been grown for the Heritage by Tom Liggett. As Tom is a great fan of Grandmother's Hat with a several in his home garden and as Grandmother's.Hat frequently puts out color sports, It is possible the he discovered it.

Mel Hulse
Reply #2 of 6 posted 4 JUL 19 by AnitaSacramento
Tom Liggett has confirmed that he discovered and named Tina Marie. Please correct the HMF listing accordingly. It was not discovered by Gregg Lowery and Phillip Robinson, and Gregg does not claim that it was his discovery in the comments above. Thanks!
Reply #3 of 6 posted 4 JUL 19 by Patricia Routley
Hello Anita,
Corrected. I have used the same discovery date, 1998, as we had previously.
I wonder if we should merge ‘Tina Marie’ with ‘Larry Daniels’ 1995. Both are sports of ‘Grandmother’s Hat’ and both were discovered by Tom Liggett. It seems the sport is quite variable in colour.
My regards.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 4 JUL 19 by AnitaSacramento
Thanks Patricia. No, they are distinct. Larry Daniels is different in color. Grandmother's Hat sports readily - I have seen a pale colored version in a neighbor's garden.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 4 JUL 19 by Patricia Routley
OK. I read the Members Comments in both roses’ pages and got the impression that they are not distinct. Jill seemed to think they were probably the same. There seems to be variability in the colour in the photos.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 22 FEB 20 by Jeri Jennings
In our garden, 'Tina Marie' and 'Larry Daniels' were a quite different color tone.

L.D. only once produced a white bloom, and NEVER produced multiple shades on a bloom, which 'Tina Marie' does FREQUENTLY. I think it would be a mistake to equate them.
most recent 24 MAY 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 MAR 06 by Mel Hulse
ARS determined "Bailey Red" to be 'Ellen Poulsen.' 03/06
Reply #1 of 1 posted 24 MAY 19 by odinthor
Surely 'Karen Poulsen', not 'Ellen Poulsen'...?
most recent 3 DEC 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 30 APR 06 by Mel Hulse
"R. odorata is the variety almost universally used in Australia for a dwarf stock. It was first used in N.S.W. by Mr. Bennett, of Homebush, who declared its correct name was R. indica major, but later it became known as American Noisette.   In Queensland it was erroneously termed Manetti, and this mistake appears to have cropped up also in Melbourne. It is also known as Maiden's Blush or Blushing Bride in different parts of Victoria, while Adelaide misnames it Boursault.   Even the name R. odorata appears to be challenged, as it is claimed that R. indica major was used for many years before the name "odorata" came into being, and right of priority is a powerful factor in botanic circles.   However, by whatever name, it is a good stock where cuttings are taken from mature canes during autumn or winter months. It roots very readily, grows well, and has an affinity for practically all varieties.   Where propagated from partially ripened wood it develops disease, and constitution is weakened.   It rarely suckers, buds readily, and is a good stock."

from  Rose Stock Experiments by Harry H. Hazlewood. The Australian Rose Annual 1933.

Posted for Billy West, 4/29/06

Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 DEC 15 by CybeRose
This rose was mistaken for a Boursault long ago.

The Gardeners' Chronicle, 3: 317 (May 13, 1843)
W. W.
"I generally select the Bengalensis (or Blush Boursault, as some gardeners call it) in preference to the Wild Briar, which I find more apt to canker and become bast-bound."
I wonder whether anyone has seen this rose and the *other* 'Blush Boursault' (Belle de l'Isle) growing together. Are they similar, or possibly related?
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