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What is this rose please?
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It is a gallica ´Incomparable d´Auteuil´.
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Thanks. It is a lovely photo. Did you mean to put it under your name? - or should it be in the 'Incomparable d'Auteuil (in commerce)' file?
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PhotoDiscussion id : 45-652
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'La Plus Belles des Ponctuées' is a Gallica; this rose is not. Charles Quest-Ritson.
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I have bought it as La Plus Belle de Ponctuées and I have not had any reason to missbelieve that. Perhaps this photo not is typical for the rose, I have other photos of the same rose.
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Thank you for your observations. There are two ways of answering you. First, you can look at descriptions of 'La Plus Belle des Ponctuées' in such authorities as François Joyaux's Rosa Gallica [Paris, 1998] and compare them with your plant. Second, you can look at the leaves of your plant and note that they clearly have China blood in them, which of course no Gallica has. Then perhaps you could take the matter up with your supplier. I think the other pictures on the site correspond with what is generally understood to be the correct cultivar; it is not difficult to distinguish yours as different. Charles Quest-Ritson.
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#3 of 3 posted
9 JUN 10 by
 jedmar
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Also, Gallicas generally have bristles only and not the very conspicious prickles as your plant has. Was your supplier from Sweden?
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PhotoDiscussion id : 43-539
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29 MAR 10 by
jedmar
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Should be white with red and pink stripes.
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Hello jedmar
No, I believe you mean Oeillet Parfait. That is a striped rose.
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#2 of 4 posted
30 MAR 10 by
jedmar
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'Oeillet flamand' is striped, too. Please see the references and the picture from "Rosenzeitung". The rose in commerce seems to be mislabeled. What was the source of yours?
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I bought the rose from Peter Beales. I think last summer was the first for this rose to bloom. When I compare my picture to Susanne Verriers picture of Oeillet Flamand, I think they look quite alike. She describes the color: "The ground color is rose, dappled with pale lilac-rose.....William Paul wrote of this rose:""A very desirable variety, producing its flowes more frequently true in character than teh general run of Striped Roses."" But I will remove the picture och study this rose during this summer to find out if its the wright rose or not. I also think that the picture taken of "ute" in Sangerhausen looks alike my rose. What do you think?
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#5 of 4 posted
2 APR 10 by
jedmar
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I think Suzanne Verrier's picture shows the rose in commerce. The rose sold by Beales is certainly misidentified. The Sangerhausen picture is a mystery, because François Joyaux shows in "La Rose de France" quite a different (correct) photo from Sangerhausen. I am afraid Sangerhausen must have replaced their plants by one from commerce, as they sometimes do when they die off. Another possibility is that this 'Oeillet flamand' has reverted back to its parent.
The older references are quite definite in their descriptions: the bloom should have a white base with clear stripes. The rose in commerce is also very nice, but not 'Oeillet flamand'. I would leave your photo here, but make a remark that the provenance is from Beales and the correctness questioned.
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