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most recent 15 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 MAR 08 by bob diller
This is a great rose! It does well in poor locations, stays healthy in my no spray garden, and the blooms are a buttery flesh color this is very delicate looking. Anybody new to roses should give this rose a try, I think it is one of the all time greats. I have heard of many people having ones with rose virus that still do well, but I got mine from a virus free source and it is one of the more vigorous roses I grow, outgrown only by Super Dorothy, Rambling Rector and Golden Threshold. I have about 150 roses, so have much to compare it to.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 7 MAR 08 by billy teabag
I absolutely agree that Reve d'Or is one of the all-time greats.
We find it an extremely healthy, minimum-care evergreen rose that, once established, repeats its bloom over the whole year. Those lovely blooms are especially welcome in winter in our mild climate.
The foliage doesn't seem to be susceptible to mildew, and looks good all year round.
But you need to be prepared to give this rose a couple of years to get settled in. It didn't bloom prolifically for its first few years here, but now rarely seems to be without some flowers, and when in full flush it is a wonderful thing - the blooms have a very special charm.
This rose really seems to belong on the cusp of Noisette and Climbing Tea - combines the best qualities of both. It's very versatile. It grows well as a large, self-supporting mounded shrub, is very happy growing on a fence, or will happily climb pillars, screens or pergolas and other structures.
Definitely a full paid up member of the Reve d'Or fan club.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 1 MAR 09 by Jeff Britt
How does Reve D'Or compare to Madame Berard?
Reply #3 of 9 posted 1 MAR 09 by bob diller
Mme Berard was planted spring 2008, so I do have both, but can't compare yet. She grew about 15 feet last season with some sparse bloom, but I should be able to compare the two by this fall. She seems to settle in faster.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 3 MAR 09 by Jeff Britt
Thanks for the information. Nothing like head-to-head competition!
Reply #4 of 9 posted 2 MAR 09 by billy teabag
'Reve d'Or' is a Tea-Noisette type and 'Mme Berard' a Dijon Tea and there are differences characteristic of the classes.
For us, 'Reve d'Or' has canes and laterals that are more supple and pliable and it is evergreen in our climate - always very well clothed in healthy foliage. It has elongated leaflets with a healthy sheen and is not susceptible to mildew or black spot here..
It has prickles and sets hips.

"The rose sold as Adam", thought by many rosarians to probably be 'Mme Berard' has canes that are more stiff and rigid, many of which are thornless. (New canes may have some prickles, but they usually drop off as the wood ages, leaving very few prickles.)
The bloom is quite variable in colour and form, (see photos on both 'Mme Berard' and 'Adam' pages here) but one of the most recognisable faces of this rose shows the characteristic Dijon Tea form - firm petals, outer petals forming a circular outline holding a ruffled cup of inner petals.
It is susceptible to black spot here and will defoliate after a bout, but recovers reasonably quickly.
If not dead-headed, it seems to put so much energy into making hips that the vigour of the plant begins to suffer.
Because we have such mild winters here, I can't give any first hand comparisons of cold-hardiness, but from early references, 'Mme Berard' could be expected to be more cold tolerant than 'Reve d'Or'.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 3 MAR 09 by Jeff Britt
Thank you for providing such a complete and useful answer. It certainly makes the distinctions clear and points me toward planting Reve d'Or. San Francisco was an odd climate -- we never get frost or snow, much less a freeze, but it rarely gets hot here, even in high summer. And, though we receive no rain from May until November, we often have heavy, drippy fog in summer, especially in July and August. All this adds up to challenges to growing some roses. It sounds like Madame Berard would ball here during a foggy summer, and possibly suffer with blackspot as well. I also prefer the more flexible canes of Reve d'Or, even if they are armed with prickles.
You have saved my the disappointment of making a bad choice and am very grateful. Thanks!
Reply #7 of 9 posted 4 MAR 09 by billy teabag
Thanks Jeff - You're welcome.
Just hope I haven't accentuated the negatives too much!
It would be good if someone in the San Francisco area who grows both could give you more information about how they compare in your foggy part of the world.
Vintage Gardens Nursery praise 'Mme Berard' highly and describe it as 'sadly neglected'.
I would hate to be without either of these roses as they are both so very beautiful in their own way.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 14 MAR 10 by redwood rose
I grow both in Marin County, and agree with the last comments. It is not quite as foggy here as in SF, but very similar. My Reve de Or is a younger plant, but is more vigorous than Berard, with longer, thinner, more flexible canes. My Berard gets afternoon sun and was scorched badly on the older canes several yrs ago in a heat wave. I'm looking for another plant to put next to it since it only has one basal cane now and lopsided growth. Reve de Or gets morning sun, along with it's tea rose neighbors in the same bed, and they are all very very happy in that exposure. Msr. Tillier is in the same bed and is 10 x 10 feet! Teas and tea-noisettes love morning sun here! Next to Berard is Elie Beauvilain, another tea-noisette available from Vintage Gardens, both growing on a trellis fence. Elie is a much stronger plant, although the flowers aren't as large or showy as Berard's. Although Berard is harder to grow well, it is worth the extra effort in my opinion.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 15 OCT 16 by NikosR
In my climate, where powdery mildew is the primary fungal disease, Reve d' Or stays completely clean while 'so called Adam' suffers really badly. Both are young and I have some hope that 'so called Adam' may become a bit more resistant when older, since many Teas and Dijon Teas , in my climate, do partially outgrow their PM tendencies once mature.
most recent 21 APR 11 SHOW ALL
Initial post 30 MAR 10 by redwood rose
I planted Cl. Devoniensis and Cl. Cecile Brunner at the same time near the same old redwood tree eight yrs ago, and they are both climbing it. Even though Cl. Devoniensis only has one big basal cane, it has outclimbed Cecile by more than ten feet so far! A friend planted hers near a fig tree and it has totally swamped it - in a good way.........Oh, and today both roses started opening their gorgeous blooms, and it's not even April yet!
Reply #1 of 3 posted 20 APR 11 by Kacie
Be careful. When I moved to Tucson I planted a R. Fortuiana and a white Lady Banks under a mesquite tree. The last time I had had either of them I was living in a cool damp climate and silly me thought they would only grown into 4 or 5 foot high mounds. 4 years ago I had to cut them out of the tree which I thought they had killed. They had completely smothered the tree not allowing it to get any light. I ended up taking 5 pickup loads of rose to the local dump.

Watch out for the house eaters. Cecile Brunner can be one.

Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 APR 11 by redwood rose
The two roses are in a 100 year old redwood tree. It is HUGE. I think it'll be fine...
Reply #3 of 3 posted 21 APR 11 by Kacie
Good: I think it would be hard for CB to take over that one. My Devoniensis is only about 15 feet and quite mannerly so far. I would love to see them climb. I love the huge climbers. Am restarting a Belle of Portugal and Belle Blanche to put in a couple of my other mesquites. I really like them for climbing roses because they give a nice lightly filtered shade and are water miners (roots can go down over 90 feet) so don't bother the roses as much as other trees.

most recent 3 MAY 10 SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 JUL 08 by rosage plains
what is the difference between this howard thanksgiving and the warriner thanksgiving? they are only a couple years apart, look the same and the warriner has fred howard as a parent.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 25 MAR 10 by redwood rose
I was wondering the same thing. Mine is from Vintage. They are shown here as growing both the Howard and the Warriner.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 MAY 10 by redwood rose
I have the one from Vintage. I think their catalog lists Warriner as the breeder, but here it says they sell both. They look so similar, but each has different parents altogether.
most recent 18 APR 10 SHOW ALL
Initial post 30 MAR 10 by redwood rose
I should add, my Devoniensis and Cecile Brunner climbers both started opening their blooms today, and it's not even April yet!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 16 APR 10 by redwood rose
"Old" is relative with redwoods. The tree the roses are climbing is 100 years old, or so. Plenty big still for the roses to scramble up the south side. Devoniensis is blooming about 30 feet or more up in its limbs. Spectacular this year with all the rain!
Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 APR 10 by Jeff Britt
It must be a challenge to garden under redwoods. They have the greediest roots!
Reply #3 of 4 posted 17 APR 10 by redwood rose
I only have a few roses planted along the edges of the trees. Fortunately the redwoods are on the north side of the property, so they don't shade the roses. I haven't watered Cl. Cecile Brunner since she was three or so, and Cl. Devoniensis gets a soaking every week or so in the summer. Strangely enough I've had more trouble growing rhododendrons under my redwoods that I've had growing roses!
Reply #4 of 4 posted 18 APR 10 by Jeff Britt
I guess rhodies have a large, fibrous root system, not unlike all those surface roots on redwoods, so perhaps it isn't surprising they struggle a bit. I find redwoods very good at mining nitrogen and just about any micronutrient. Anyway, glad to know the roses do well despite the challenges.
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