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Is it posible to obtain this rose in Europe? Surely I'm not the only one that wants it over here.
Personally, I'm obsessed with it, just seems like a perfect rose... That sort of Charles de Mills shape in a peach colour. And the bush looks so harmonious down to how the leafs look. Add to that I just read rave comments about the scent...
This is one I'm after!
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Seeing the green button in the flower, I understand that it can't set seeds... But does it have fertile pollen?
This would seem such an interesting rose to breed from! But i have heard of it's sterility.
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#1 of 2 posted
28 NOV 22 by
 Lee H.
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Alas, the button eye comprises all the reproductive parts. There are no anthers or pollen.
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Such a shame that a glorious rose like this one can't give its genes to a new rose. At least we can enjoy the rose itself!
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It's stated that this rose is a hybrid of rugosa. But what is it crossed with? Rosa chinensis? Or is it just a common consensus that it is a hybrid rugosa instead of just pure rugosa?
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#1 of 6 posted
22 OCT 22 by
jedmar
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The parentage is unknown. We have no class listing for pure "Rugosa". They are either listed as species or as Hybrid Rugosas
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But then, wouldn't it be more reasonable to clases it a pure Rugosa? There is no indication that it is crossed with anything else so it's a garden form of the species for what we know.
Hybrid Rugosa would be correct for a rose with Rugosa genetics, but also from other rose species.
It would be as classing Charles de Mills as an hybrid Gallica instead of pure Gallica. It would cuase confusion, making people think it has more than one species in its makeup.
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#4 of 6 posted
24 NOV 22 by
jedmar
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Rose classifications follow the system introduced by the American Rose Society. There is no class "Rugosa", only "Hybrid Rugosa"
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Oh sorry, I didn't read you correctly the first time! My bad.
Though I guess it can't be changed, at least not immediately, it would be better in the future to have a category that is just Rugosa per se, and not hybrid Rugosa.
It had actually made me think in the past all garden Rugosas where maybe hybrids with, for example, the tea rose. Thanks for clearing this up for me, because it makes much more sense to think it's just a domesticated form of the species rose, looking at the bush and taking into account also what the member JJS's reply says.
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#2 of 6 posted
18 NOV 22 by
JJS
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Interesting question. Graham Thomas remarked that Hansa shows signs of hybridization, so I tried to find out by selfing Hansa a few years ago. The result was about 50/50 double blooms / single blooms. Moreover, in about half of the offspring the new growth and the petioles were reddish, whereas in the other half they were green. In all cases I would classify the roses as pure rugosas. Also the hips were purely rugosa. So far, my best guess is that Hansa is a cross between R. rugosa and R. rugosa flore pleno. But who knows?
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That is a very interesting experiment you did there! Thanks for the info, and it does go along this idea I have that it's just a pure Rugosa of a domesticated form.
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