HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
Member
Profile
PhotosFavoritesCommentsJournalMember
Garden
 
Kebun
MemberKebun
most recent 27 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 DEC by Anup
I am from India
I saw your Oklahoma rose,loved it
Just want to know how many days it's flowers last on the bush
Do the petals burn in sun?
REPLY
most recent 20 JUN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 27 SEP 15 by Eric Timewell
All four of the surviving Fitzhardinge roses are on sale in pots at Kurinda Roses, 404 Warragul—Lardner Road, Warragul VIC 3820, 03 5623 6827. It's possible this is the first time four of her roses have been sold together in 60 years. 'Prudence' and 'Lady Edgeworth David' have been authenticated as far as possible by John Nieuwesteeg. 'Warrawee' and 'Lubra', supplied by Golden Vale, have been in the Morwell Rose Garden collection since 1959.
REPLY
Reply #1 of 31 posted 27 SEP 15 by Give me caffeine
Nice work. It'll be interesting to see how many people can get 'Lubra' growing well and, if so, under which conditions. I may be daft enough to try it sometime.
REPLY
Reply #2 of 31 posted 27 SEP 15 by Eric Timewell
Remember what that woman said on the NSW central coast in the Fifties. Lubra is a lovely rose if you pick it in the bud to open indoors. That's a bit desperate; if the weather is dry enough and it isn't going to ball, leave it be.
REPLY
Reply #3 of 31 posted 28 SEP 15 by Give me caffeine
Yep, got that. I'll just put a beach umbrella over it when it rains. ;)
REPLY
Reply #4 of 31 posted 28 SEP 15 by Eric Timewell
Obviously you are a liberal thinker. I have a Lady Edgeworth David about to bloom entirely in the shade; tells us something.
REPLY
Reply #5 of 31 posted 28 SEP 15 by Give me caffeine
Interesting. I'll bet that wasn't in the manual.

I was just looking at the references for 'Warrawee' too. They seem to contradict one another to some extent (common problem) but they indicate that 'Warrawee' gets similarly disgruntled when rained on. Do all the Fitzhardinge roses have a tendency to ball?
REPLY
Reply #6 of 31 posted 28 SEP 15 by Eric Timewell
I haven't yet had any personal experience with growing Warrawee. But it's unusual among her roses in having fewer petals (30ish). As far as I can tell, the others had as many petals as possible, which of course is why they ball.
REPLY
Reply #7 of 31 posted 10 OCT 15 by Kebun
A specimen each of Lubra and Warrawee, purchased late last month from Kurinda. After adding some composted sheep manure to the soil mix, both appear to be doing quite well with nice healthy growth with Warrawee presenting as the stronger grower. I will probably plant them out next year after the summer heatwave is over
REPLY
Reply #8 of 31 posted 10 OCT 15 by Eric Timewell
Sophisticated choices, Kebun. They look very healthy. I see why you are going to leave them in pots for a year, since they are only one-year plants. But surely you can expect some flowers in autumn 2016.
REPLY
Reply #9 of 31 posted 11 OCT 15 by Kebun
According to Stan Nieuwesteeg, they will be flowering by summertime. If that is the case, I will be very pleased. As it is my intention to plant both roses by the low brick wall in the photo (which radiates truly brutal summer heat), it is definitely prudent to wait till the summer heatwave has finished before planting out these young 'uns
REPLY
Reply #10 of 31 posted 18 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Eric, any updates on how your Fitzhardinge's are going? Have you had any problems with any of them?
REPLY
Reply #11 of 31 posted 18 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
Dear GMC, all my roses grow in pots on a small suburban deck in inner Melbourne. The deck itself is being starved of sunlight by the growth of nearby trees. In the end I may not be able to grow roses at all. Climate change also makes various differences: white fly have been a plague all summer and mildew is worse than it used to be; but really cold winters have returned to induce genuine dormancy in the bushes.
In the last two seasons I've owned eight plants of 'Lubra'. Two have up and died without warning while others flourished. So perhaps those gardeners who found it "a poor grower" were right. In any case, I think 'Lubra' is still well worth the trouble. But I've given all my remaining plants to the Victoria State Rose Garden to make sure it doesn't die out.
'Prudence' has been a rampant grower, I now think to 20 feet in all directions. So far it has been once flowering only. If that remains true then we must doubt John Nieuwesteeg's identification of it as the Fitzhardinge original. But it's much more likely that mine has simply lacked sun. Now I have two huge plants forming a high arch up into the sunlight, waiting to see how they perform this spring.
'Warrawee' here grows like any other HT, always well scented and well formed. Here and at the State Rose Garden it does not ball.
'Lady Edgeworth David' has been for me the pick of the bunch. It flowers consistently for nine months. For anyone who is fascinated that anything can be so pale and yet so definitely pink, it is an endless pleasure. For once the poor conditions on my deck are a help: it never balls, never burns, never gets the wind-blasted look I have seen on bushes grown in empty open spaces. 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' has even better scent but ill-formed flowers in spring. Parkes' 'Sharon Louise' has the same subtle colour on a much bigger bush, but it's flowers are simple-minded floribundas, not so quietly elegant.
REPLY
Reply #12 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Thanks for the update. So it looks like three of them could be grown by anyone anywhere, given a bit of common sense and basic knowledge. Lubra may be more fussy about conditions, but should still do well if it's happy. It'll be interesting to see how it goes at Werribee.
REPLY
Reply #13 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Come to think of it, if Lady Edgeworth David will flower consistently for nine months, and you have been getting cold winters lately, that implies it may well flower year round in a warm climate. If it did do that it would be highly unusual for a hybrid Tea, although some of Clark's roses which are nominally in that category will also flower through winter (Sunlit springs to mind)..
REPLY
Reply #14 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
GMC, you may well be right. If Fitzhardinge's roses were bred in monsoonal Sydney, they should, adjusting for climate change, do best on the NSW coast.
As for Alister Clarks, 'Lorraine Lee' will survive the nuclear holocaust along with the ants. But then it isn't a Hybrid Tea.
REPLY
Reply #15 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
I'll have to try Lubra sometime, just to see what happens. The climate up here is pretty much monsoonal, although more like the Indian version. The whole Tweed Valley caldera is a bit of a rain trap, and we get around 60% more than Brisbane. Mainly in very big buckets, with substantial dry gaps between.
REPLY
Reply #16 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
Heroic country up there. I hope gardening doesn't need too much heroism to cope with it. I'd love to know how 'Lubra' fares.
REPLY
Reply #17 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Not too much heroism required once you know what to expect. It's rather good in many ways. It's a climate where you can grow a huge variety of things if you give them the right spot, although the lack of winter chill does rule out some plants (peonies, for example). The main problem is keeping grass and weeds under control once the summer rains hit. Both tend to behave like rampaging triffids at that time of year.

Good bed preparation and mulch deals with most of the weeds. Nothing except napalm will deal with the grass.
REPLY
Reply #18 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
So your climate would be ideal for Multiflora crosses like Lambert's 'Gartendirektor Otto Linne' or any of the Reithmullers. Down here they are meagre two-foot things but on the Darling Downs they are normally two metres high and wide. You'd have to like mass effects though, something Fitzhardinge obviously did not care for.
REPLY
Reply #19 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
I'd already thought about some of the Riethmuller roses. They seem like good all rounders for the garden. Apparently not too spiky, mostly well scented, and not prone to disease.

I hadn't spotted 'Lady Woodward' before though. That one is quite something.
REPLY
Reply #20 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
Lady Woodward is Riethmuller's only surviving HT. I know of one plant in the entire universe. Perhaps John Nieuwesteeg has one and might give budwood to his brother Stan at Kurinda.
REPLY
Reply #21 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Well the HMF nursery listing says Kurinda already has it, so maybe he already did. Given how nice it looks, one plant for the entire universe seems a bit stingy.
REPLY
Reply #22 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
Well, er, I hope it isn't a clerical error by the person who composed the list.
REPLY
Reply #23 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Dunno. But presumably you're referring to the plant at Maddingley Park. Margaret uploaded a photo of a plant at Ruston's in 2012 (photo id: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.192554) so if that plant is still alive that would make at least two. Did the Ruston's one snuff it?
REPLY
Reply #24 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
It's still on the HMF listing for Ruston's. Also, Kebun's garden listing says he has one (which presumably came from Kurinda).
REPLY
Reply #25 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
You probably know, most of the Ruston's collection is in danger and many have gone. Many others have been transferred to interstate gardens for safety. But if Kebun got one from Kurinda then indeed they exist in plural, a very fine thing. I must order one myself for the new season.
REPLY
Reply #26 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
No I didn't know that about Ruston's. Pity.

Anyway, you and Kebun can be the guinea pigs for Lady Woodward. I have enough to worry about at the moment. I'll look at the rare stuff when things settle down and I need more worries.
REPLY
Reply #27 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Margaret Furness
No, no transfers out of Ruston's - we wouldn't risk transferring the caltrop weed seed. Everything HRIAI planted at Renmark in the last 8 years is still there, barring a few duplicates removed, and a few losses. Losses have been disproportionate in the Aus bed, which may have rose-unfriendly soil; so several Riethmullers and Midnight Sun have died. As far as I know Lady Woodward is still there. I try to keep the Renmark listing up to date as far as the HRIAI plantings are concerned. What the current owners have removed from their area is outside HRIAI's scope.
Many of the HRIAI roses have been propagated either by cuttings or by John N taking budwood last summer, in addition to those sent around the country in previous years, in the hope of establishing backup gardens in various places. Negotiations for some of those gardens are continuing.
Negotiations are on-going regarding the sale of the property; I don't know where they're up to.
REPLY
Reply #28 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Eric Timewell
Thank you, Margaret. We are all in your debt. Just think what you will be able to do when you can drive a car.
REPLY
Reply #29 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Thanks for the information, Margaret.
REPLY
Reply #30 of 31 posted 19 JUN 16 by Margaret Furness
It's a team effort by HRIAI. The fairly recent Renmark members have been a wonderful asset.
REPLY
Reply #31 of 31 posted 20 JUN 16 by Ozoldroser
Hear, hear to what Margaret has written.
REPLY
most recent 27 OCT 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 OCT 15 by AlpineYve
I'm trying to locate the "Charmaine" rose. Can you please let me know where I might be able to buy it from? I'm in Australia.
REPLY
Reply #1 of 3 posted 27 OCT 15 by Kebun
Unfortunately at this point in time, according to the Buy From tab for the Charmaine entry, Charmaine is currently only sold commercially in Germany and Holland. Indeed the only Geary rose seemingly still in commerce in Australia is Mrs George Geary (available from Thomas For Roses in SA)
REPLY
Reply #2 of 3 posted 27 OCT 15 by Patricia Routley
I will reply further in the rose 'Charmaine'.
REPLY
Reply #3 of 3 posted 27 OCT 15 by AlpineYve
Thank you Kebun and Patricia.
REPLY
most recent 27 OCT 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 OCT 15 by Patricia Routley
Continuing a thread from breeder George Geary:

AlpineYve - you might just put your Australian state in. That gives us more help in trying to find you a rose.
However...Kebun is right. I don't think 'Charmaine' ever got to Australia as I have checked Hazlewood's catalogues for 1930, 32, 35, 36, 37 and 38 and they didn't list it. However, I have added more references for 'Charmaine' and the 1934 from Alex Ross is interesting. You might just do a double check with Ross Roses in South Australia.
REPLY
Reply #1 of 3 posted 27 OCT 15 by AlpineYve
Thank you very much. I'm in NSW and I'll check with Ross Roses as you suggest.
REPLY
Reply #2 of 3 posted 27 OCT 15 by Kebun
I have also checked Charmaine against the Ruston Roses National Rose Collection database in case there might be Charmaine budwood available. Charmaine is not listed but it might be worth giving Rustons a call nonetheless... who knows what might be uncovered!
REPLY
Reply #3 of 3 posted 27 OCT 15 by Patricia Routley
Go into your home page (your account page) and add NSW there. Best of luck in your search. Love people who search out the oldies.
REPLY
© 2024 HelpMeFind.com