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On the website of Kordes the following (translated) info:
Züchter: W. Kordes' Söhne 2007
Öfterblühende Sorte
Farbe: zart rosa
Wuchsform: aufrecht buschig wachsend
Höhe: ca. 80 cm, Breite: ca. 50 cm
Die Angaben für Höhe und Breite können je nach Standort oder Region etwas variieren. Die Breite kann gleichzeitig als Pflanzabstand übernommen werden.
Bemerkung: Die Duftpreise, die diese Sorte in verschiedenen internationalen Rosenwettbewerben erhalten hat , sprechen eine deutliche Sprache: Ihre großen, gefüllten Blüten duften intensiv nach Zitrus-Früchten. Dabei verzweigt sich die Pflanze außergewöhnlich gut und ihr Laub ist sehr widerstandsfähig gegenüber Sternrußtau.
Blütenfüllung: stark gefüllt
Blütendurchmesser: 10 cm
Blattgesundheit: Sternrußtau: leichte Anfälligkeit, Regeneration aus eigener Kraft , Mehltau: höhere Anfälligkeit, Pflanzenstärkungsmittel erforderlich
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Repeat flowering
Colour: soft pink
Habit: Upright shrubby form.
Height ± 80 cm, Width ± 50 cm.
Height and width vary by location or region. Width =planting distance
The plant forms a lot of branches, leaves have a very good resistance towards Blackspot
Very double flowerform
Flower Ø 10 cm
A little susceptible for Blackspot, selfregeneration of it.
High susceptability for Mildew. Needs health improving substances. (like leaf fertilizers as seaweadextract or algae-extract*)
* note by Jay-Jay.
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They also wrote:
Diese intensiv duftende Rose gehört zu der Auswahl des Kordes-Duftgarten, alles Sorten, an deren himmlischen Aromen Sie sich den ganzen Sommer lang erfreuen können. Füllen Sie Ihren Duftgarten mit einer Vielfalt von Rosen für die Sinne.
Duftpreis und Publikumspreis Nantes 2010, Duftpreis Baden-Baden 08, Duftpreis Belfast 09, Goldmedaille La Tacita 2010, Silbermedaille 08 Baden-Baden, Silbermedaille 09 Echigo
Rosen-Kollektion: Diese Sorte ist Teil der brandneuen Eleganza-Kollektion, ein Sortiment junger, blattgesunder Edelrosen-Züchtungen, die mit ihrer anmutigen Schönheit jeden Garten veredeln. Lassen Sie sich von der Eleganz dieser Neuzüchtungen verzaubern.
Hinweis: Der begehrte Sonderpreis für die am stärksten duftende Rose ging 2008 an die Kordes-Züchtung ‘Beverly®’. Den intensiven Duft der Kordes-Rose analysierte der bekannte Parfumeur und Rosenkenner Phillipe Sauvegrain folgendermaßen: „Ein blumiger Duft wie aus Tausend und einer Nacht untermalt von einem Hauch Litschi und einer süßen Fußnote, die an reife Pflaumen und Mirabellen erinnert“.
(etwas für Jedmar to translate)
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#1 of 13 posted
29 SEP 11 by
 jedmar
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I am afraid we do not have the detail to express properly:
"A floral fragrance as if from Thousand and One Nights, accompanied by a hint (the german "breath" is more poetic here) of lychee and a sweet basal note which is reminiscent of plums and mirabelles"
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#2 of 13 posted
29 SEP 11 by
Jay-Jay
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Die Duftbeschreibung stimmt aber wirklich! So riecht diese rose!
Aber tausend und eine Nacht habe ich noch nicht/nie gerochen, aber es gibt einen Eindruck!
The description of ths roses' fragrance I think is correct! The rose smells like this.
1001 night I've never smelled, but it gives a clue/hunch about how it is!
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#3 of 13 posted
7 NOV 14 by
Kit
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vieleicht:
A floral scent out of 1001 Nights, punctuated by a breath of lychee and a sweet undertone which evokes plums and mirabelles.
The real problem here is that the expression 'mirabelle'*, as well as the fruit itself, are virtual unknowns in the Anglosphere. The breath idiom can be translated literally with no loss of poetry or sense.
(Not that I actually get poetry from the German, to me it sounds like illiterate Yiddish spoken by a syntactically confused person. Makes Dutch(bad enough) seem quite sensible by contrast. The daytsh tell me that Yiddish sounds even worse to them!)
*BTW: It's a sort of yellow plum.
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There are, of course, people who don't find English euphonious.
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#5 of 13 posted
7 NOV 14 by
Jay-Jay
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Laat de Nederlanders het maar niet horen!
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#6 of 13 posted
7 NOV 14 by
Jay-Jay
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Oh yum! Looks very similar to our sweet-as-honey Greengage plums - Prunus domestica Italica. The dictionary tells me the Greengage was named after Sir W. Gage (1777-1884 , English botanist, who brought it from France. (Nothing at all to do with the 1999 rose but it makes the morning coffee time here interesting.)
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Lovely photo Jay-Jay!
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#9 of 13 posted
8 NOV 14 by
Jay-Jay
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The Green Gage plum is a very old variety and called in Europe: "Reine Claude Verte".
They are bigger and when ripe much sweeter (like sugar or honey) than Mirabelles.
For the interested people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greengage
It will normally take many years for that plum-tree to become fertile, and even then it will carry just a little amount of fruit.
The trick is, to plant the young tree a little deeper than in the nursery and little by little put compost enriched garden-soil on top of the roots, so the graft will root by itself and the rootstock dies. Than the Reine Claude Verte/Greengage tree will reward You in good years with loads of delicious plums!
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Interesting suggestion. The usual cross-pollinator for it here is Coe's Golden Drop, also known as eggplum, which is nothing special, so I'm trying Prune d'Agen instead. The greengage has an added advantage in my area, in that birds don't attack it as much as other plums. I think it likes our climate better than yours, as it can be quite prolific.
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I think "hint of lychee" is being modest. This rose will knock you out with lychee scent.
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#13 of 13 posted
23 JUN by
Jay-Jay
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Maybe an idea to make sherbet-ice with it? With Lychees, one can.
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#11 of 13 posted
13 JUN 15 by
boopie
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This rose bush is so beautiful. It has long stems for cutting, but I hesitate to do it because it is so beautiful in bloom that it makes a spectacular landscape bush. My neighborhood is full of dog walkers. Most of them walk their dogs several times a day, and everyone stops to comment on how beautiful this bush is. I rarely cut these flowers out of consideration for my neighbors, they enjoy this bush so much. This is a wonderful bush, and in my climate (southern California, dry and arid) I have not have had to spray for any disease. I love how this bush performs in the garden, it should be considered as a landscape rose as well as it's other attributes. It should be well watered and fertilized for best results.
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I think Moonstone is a beautiful rose and I just had to have it for my garden. I was disappointed to find out it doesn't do well in the hot summers of the valley. First the aphids and then the thrips ate it up and then the blistering heat took over for the next 4 months. Oct now and I'm just getting some decent blooms again after 5 months. I would caution anyone who lives where it gets above the 90's from obtaining this rose, unless you're willing to wait for those few months it isn't that hot and you don't mind thrips damage in the months they're present.
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#1 of 10 posted
17 DEC 10 by
Penelope
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Too bad. This was on my "Gotta Have it List". Our summers here in Dallas are just like yours, generally getting to around 105 in August. I think 108 was our high last summer.
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Leslie.....
Thank you for sharing this information. I have added that "this rose prefers cool climates" to the rose page so that other site guests will have the information when they are making their purchasing decisions.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Hmmm-- this rose does not like MY cooler climate. It thrives in East San Diego in my mother's garden, but here on the coast, most blooms ball up and refuse to open.
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Should I also add "prefers dry climates" ? It's possible that 'Moonstone' can't take the prolonged heat of the central valley of California, but can handle the coastal heat of areas like San Diego ?
Smiles,
Lyn
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I actually think that what this rose needs is heat . . .
I'm really surprised to see someone saying it does NOT like heat.
It does really well at the rose shows in the desert areas.
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#9 of 10 posted
12 AUG 15 by
boopie
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I agree that this rose can take the dry heat. I live in zone 10 in So Cal and this rose is one of my better performers in the late summer months. Half of my roses I summer prune in August as they just don't perform well in the heat. But this rose produces reliably beautiful blooms, growing in full sun. I have a Francis Meiland growing next to Moonstone. Depending on the time of the year, it is hard to tell them apart. But in the heat Francis looses it form, becomes bleached out and just ugly. So I prune Francis in August, but I let Moonstone bloom all summer. In cooler weather I think it is a nice rose bush, but I think it's strength is in how it handles the summer heat. Very nice rose for cutting, and it keeps its form and color in my garden in the heat, when other roses can't.
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#11 of 10 posted
30 SEP 20 by
fieres
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My Moonstone in Malta (Europe) stands up to the summer heat well which varies from 90 to 98 during the day. Actually it is the only rose that continues on blooming (albeit with smaller blooms) during this heat when all the other roses take a rest, I water it twice a week and feed it once every two weeks. It faces east and has sun from morning (about 7.00 am) till 1pm thus avoiding the afternoon sun altogether
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#7 of 10 posted
27 AUG 12 by
CarolynB
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Are you saying that Moonstone doesn't do well when temperatures are in the 90s? Or that it does well in the 90s but it doesn't do well when temperatures are in the 100s? I live on the borderline between the central valley and the east bay area, and I'm wondering if this would be a good area to grow this rose. Our summer temperatures are usually in the 90s, but only get into the 100s occasionally for a few days at a time.
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Carolyn...
It's hard to say if the rose will do in your garden. It has take me years to find the roses that can handle my heat, which is in the high 90s and low 100s for most of the summer months.
What I have found is that most roses will crisp when it gets to 100+. i looked at the roses that managed well in my heat and found that roses that had thick petal substance were the roses that held up to the heat the best. The patent on Moonstone says that the petal substance is medium-thick.
I'd suggest you look around your garden and determine which plant characteristics work best for you and use that as a guideline for selecting new roses.
Smiles,
Lyn
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#10 of 10 posted
12 AUG 15 by
Nastarana
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You might want to consider what exposure would be best. When I gardened in the Central Valley, I found that only the toughest roses, like 'Manchester Guardian Angel' could tolerate a west exposure, with its' hot, dry winds. I wonder if 'Moonstone' might be best placed to the north side of your house or the east. If you are like me, the east side is prime real estate which fills up fast.
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Interestingly, my 4 year old grafted Jude the Obscure (purchased from David Austin, and grafted on multiflora, I think) looks like it may not have survived our winter here in Cambridge, England - the past two winters were a bit colder than usual, but it's still hardiness zone 8! Jude is the only of my many David Austin roses that died, none of my other Austins have shown any setback. (However, there are two other two winter casualties in my garden: the Italian hybrid tea Stile 800 (Barni) and a the French hybrid tea Liv Tyler (Meilland)). Overall, I have to say that the Jude the Obscure I grew in North Carolina (purchased from DA in Tyler TX, grafted on Dr Huey) was a lot happier than the one I had here, a bigger plant and more prolific bloomer - and we had some cold winters in North Carolina too, with night temps dipping down to -10 C, but less frost in daytime. However, I think that Jude's superb grapefruit perfume and lovely flowers make it a very worthy rose for a warm and dry climate.
Andrea Georgia
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Thank you, Andrea, for the info. Here in zone 5a I don't see Jude blooming at the rose park in cool spring nor in the fall (Abraham Darby sure did !!). Jude only blooms in the hottest months July to September. Jude's upper branches are low in thorns. The beauty of the bloom is exquisite with geometric circles and refreshing yellow color. The scent is delicious like the most yummy tropical dessert.
Two of my own-root Jude the Obscure died through my zone 5a winter. Jude as grafted on Dr. Huey survived only 2 years at the rose park nearby. I got Jude as own-root again this year, but will winterize in my garage in the winter.
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#2 of 6 posted
6 AUG 15 by
boopie
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This helps so much! I live in zone 10, in So. Ca. I want a big bush to put on a display in the summer months. This rose according to Austin, will also handle some shade. So as hard as it can be to find a rose to do everything. I believe I have found a winner for a particular spot in my garden.
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Jude does better as grafted-on-Dr.Huey, esp. for alkaline clay. I grew 2 Judes as own-roots in my alkaline clay, Jude hated that. But Jude improved when I fixed my heavy clay with coarse sand, which fluffs up clay forever. In contrast, organics (peat moss, compost, alfalfa, leaves, wood chips) would de-compose and glue-up with clay to choke out wimpy own-roots like Jude. I tried everything (including perlite, gypsum, alfalfa hay) to fix my high-magnesium heavy clay, and coarse sand is still the best. I dug up spots in my garden where I fixed heavy clay with coarse sand, and 15 years later, it's still fluffly. I planted 5 white-pine-trees, one tree fixed with coarse sand is over 30 feet tall & dark green a decade later. Two trees in heavy clay died, the others became chlorotic (pale & yellowish). When the soil is made fluffy with coarse sand, leaves are dark-green, and roots can go deeper. Folks use coarse sand to root roses. NOTE: there are many different types of clay, thus different ways to fix them, my clay is dolomitic (high in magnesium & calcium), and I'm next to limestone quarry.
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I have Jude growing in both alkaline clay and sandy soil and he definitely likes the coarse sand better here also (Z8). The first year plants in sandy soil are at least a foot taller and covered in apricot roses versus the occasional pale yellow rose in clay.
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Thank you for the info., much appreciated !!
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And thank you to your advice about the coarse sand! I added some to my areas with more clay to match my more naturally sandy areas, and what a difference it's making.
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11 APR 16 by
boopie
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so, how are the roses growing?
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