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pkalisz 
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This is my earliest blooming rose in Zone 6b in the Eden Hills of Kentucky. The plant is 5 years old and extends above the top of an 8-foot trellis and has a spread of about 20 feet. It is extremely floriferous, fragrant (esp. briefly in the morning), thorny and vigorous. The bees love the flowers.
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I've always been interested in this rose since Jackson T. Dawson was the first superintendent of the Arnold Arboretum. Please post a photo under 'Dawson' that shows the rose without the bee and let us know where you purchased the rose and the date it flowers in your zone..
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Member pkalisz has now uploaded good photos of their ‘Dawson’. What do you think of them Palustris?
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Wow! What a fantastic rose! Those are great photos of a rare rose from Rogue Valley Roses. Thank you pkalisz: I'm inspired to find this rose.
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I have a large patch of species roses derived from cuttings taken from wild plants of R. carolina and from an R. palustris plant purchased from a NC garden. They were placed on opposite sides of a wet drainage area but have since blended together. I was initially surprised that R. carolina seemed to more vigorously invade the wet area through suckers than did R. palustris. My question now is how to tell the species apart as they are very much alike in terms of appearance of stems, leaves, flowers, hips and prickles; phenology; size; etc. "Plant Life of Kentucky" by Ron Jones separates them by 5-7 leaf teeth per cm that are 1 mm high (R. carolina) versus 9-11 teeth per cm that are 0.5 mm high (R. palustris). This is not working for me. I would appreciate any suggestions or insights as to how these two species may be distinguished.
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16 MAR 20 by
mmanners
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I don't know or grow carolina, but I've always heard that the "rolled" stipules are characteristic of R. palustris (see the stipules photo I posted here, a while back).
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16 MAR 20 by
pkalisz
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Thanks for your suggestion. I looked at your picture and will check stipules on my R. palustris this year. I now have plants from three sources. Thanks again.
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16 MAR 20 by
mmanners
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Just looking at photos here of R. carolina, it appears to have flat, broad stipules. It also appears to have quite straight prickles, whereas R. palustris tends to make downward-recurved fish-hook prickles.
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16 MAR 20 by
pkalisz
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Thanks again - I will also check the prickles.
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It may be useful to include the following under references; it is from Dreer's Garden Calendar 1899
NEW CLIMBING MOSS ROSE,
"Cumberland Belle."
New Climbing Moss Rose, "Cumberland Belle '"
We take pleasure in offering for the first
time to the legion of lovers of the Queen
of Flowers, this, the forerunner of anew
race of Roses, a grand true climbing Moss
Rose. It is of American origin, having
been found growing in a private
garden in the historic Cumberland
Valley — a sport from that pretty Moss Rose
Princess Adelaide, itself a strong vigorous
grower which is wonderfully developed in
the offspring, the original sport the first
season having attained a height of over
fifteen feet and had one hundred and
eighteen buds and flowers on it at one time.
The past season, planted side by side with
Crimson Rambler and other rampant growers,
it fully equaled them in vigor of growth.
In color it is identical to the parent, a bright
silvery rose, very double; the buds nicely
mossed and exquisitely fragrant. Altogether
a most unique and desirable acquisition.
(See cut.)
Young plants, 50 cts. each; 3 for $1.25;
§5.00 per doz.
https://archive.org/stream/dreersgardencale1899henr/dreersgardencale1899henr_djvu.txt
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Many thanks for that old reference pkalisz. There is a tiny problem in loading references at the moment, but I have made myself a note to add this 1899 reference just as soon as the function is restored.
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I am in USDA Zone 6b in central Kentucky USA. I planted Kiftsgate in 2016 in a wind-protected location adjacent to a Black Locust tree. The first year it mounded up. The second year it grew over 20 feet up into the tree but then died back to the roots during the more-or-less normal (whatever that is now) winter of 2017-18. I removed the 20-feet of dead cane and the rose resprouted but the new growth and roots were then totally killed by one of the series of late frosts that we had last Spring. Although I tried to protect it, I live in a windy location and the winds high up in the tree may have been the most important limiting factor. Please see photo of one-year cane growth attached to the side of a building.
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Wow, that picture says a lot.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
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