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most recent 4 SEP HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 SEP by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Mine is a first year own root rose. It's been soo slow to do anything, despite babying it with water, sun and fertilizer. It grew a few small canes but then was defoliated by japanese beetles. It's never recovered. I haven't gotten a single bloom so far and it's almost the end of the season here.
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most recent 31 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 AUG by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Is it normal for the flowers to crisp in the sun? Every time it blooms, every bud that's opened on this bush was crisp by the end of the day. The weather has been hot and humid (low to mid 90s). The foliage shows no signs of heat stress and I've been watering regularly. The plant is in a 19in pot, grown on its own roots, and is in sun all day. I bought the plant this year. This also happens with Oklahoma, and Papa Meilland - all of which are in the same conditions.

Helpmefind has this rose rated as excellent for heat tolerance. Is it due to the all day sun? Or do they need to mature a little bit more?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 31 AUG by Margaret Furness
As you've found, dark red roses tend to do this in hot climates. They'd be better off with afternoon shade.
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most recent 24 JUN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 MAY 17 by Michael Garhart
Half of the nurseries bought like 20-30 Mister Lincolns each, and none of this rose. Holy crap. Why? Mister Lincoln is like 10' here, lol. A few nurseries ordered in 5 or so Lasting Love, which is okay, but completely defoliates here. I will never understand the nursery business mindset.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 20 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Mr. Lincoln is a sparse bloomer, so it doesn't use up the calcium/potassium in a pot, esp. for a high-rain climate, which leaches out those nutrients. Mr. Lincoln always look good in a pot at local store.

Firefighter is a heavy bloomer, which depletes calcium/potassium, and it breaks out in blackspot AFTER blooming, unless those minerals are abundant, as in alkaline clay. My Firefighter improved after I moved from acidic potting soil to heavy alkaline clay. So the stingy roses like Mr. Lincoln look really healthy in a pot, but the heavy bloomers: Firefighter, Buxom Beauty can be blackspot-fest after done with blooming.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 21 MAY 17 by Michael Garhart
For this area (NW Oregon), Firefighter is healthy enough. Just the lower 1/3rd was affected. 'Velvet Fragrance' was by far the healthiest fragrant red HT I have grown here, but the blooms turn to rice crispies if the sun even looks at it sideways. lol

Mister Lincoln can get up to 2-3" diameter wood here. It is a literal monster. 'Oklahoma's is the same way. The modern garden just cannot accommodate here. My question/rant was more-so local nursery owners not realizing that or reaching out to the local societies for updated information, like they used to do.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 21 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
HMF is the best source for info., but I wish folks would specify their soil & climate & planting zone & what region of the country. People want to hold on to "old generalizations", rather than learning. Like nearby rose park, I was shocked to see them dumping sulfur in the spring... they burnt Tamora (prefers alkaline), also induced RRD (rose rosette disease) on Pink Traviata (Meilland rose) which also prefers alkaline. Gypsum is acidic, I killed lots of earthworms using that stuff, and it burns my finger. Gypsum has calcium plus sulfur.

I made the same mistake years ago: dumping sulfur plus high nitrogen chemical fertilizer on a Grandma' Blessing rose, changing my soil pH to acidic. It immediately came down with RRD five years ago. That's the ONLY rose with RRD in my 30+ years of growing roses, among 100+ varieties. I planted Radio Times in the exact spot, but I raised the pH with more alkaline clay, and no RRD ever since. I wish folks would stop generalizations, "Mr. Lincoln for fragrant reds", "roses prefer acidic", and "roses need full-sun". Own-root roses are completely different from each other.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 24 JUN by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Rice crispies....got a nice laugh from that lol
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 3 FEB by ac91z6
Replying because I want to archive all the information in this post for future reference about Mr. Lincoln and Firefighter. Good information here!
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 24 JUN by Michael Garhart
I would put Claret and Firefighter as the best deep red sniffers sold in North America at the moment, although I know more are coming in the future. I would rate Heart Song behind, although the plant is superior, the scent is only half of the other sniffers.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 24 JUN by Nastarana
Have you tried asking nursery owners how they go about their selections?
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most recent 16 APR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 APR by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Is this a single bush, or more than one?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 15 APR by Gascogne
This is a single bush. It's one of the few grafted bushes (vs.own root) I have left. All my other grafts died here in Kansas (Zone 6/7). This gal has remained pretty healthy.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 16 APR by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Very nice! I planted a hedge of these about 3.5 ft apart and looking back I'm unsure if they'd create the hedge effect I was going for that far apart. All except one are own root.
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