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I don't know what the edited comment originally said, but antique roses are often named to commemorate historical figures, or contemporary figures who are now historical, and for old rose lovers this adds to their charm.
The namesake of this rose, Alexander Ypsilantis , who lived 200 years ago, during the heyday of Romantic nationalism, is certainly historical.
Helpmefind's reference page quotes Botanica's Roses (1998) as saying "This variety was named for the Greek patriot and general Prince Alexandr Ypsilante who lived from 1792-1828."
Alexander certainly had an adventurous and rather tragic life since he died at age 35 after having spent seven years in an Austrian prison and also losing an arm in battle. He had a brother, Demetrios, for whom the town of Ypsilanti, Michigan, was named.. Both are considered heroes of the Greek independence movement.
As far as the rose, Graham Stuart Thomas, who refers it as "Ipsilanté, writes that "William Paul speaks very highly of this rose, and it certainly produces some most handsome blooms. It is a vigorous plant up to 4 or 5 feet, with good foliage and wide flat blooms, quartered and quilled, of palest lilac pink, 1821" (in The Old Shrub Roses,1957, 71 (p. 147).
Other sources describe the flowers as light purple. Most of the photos seem to show it as a mid pink in color.
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13 MAY 22 by
 goncmg
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Horrible names, all of them that it goes by. Rescued this one last year from the death cart at a big box store, almost free, rescued it despite the awful Rachel Ray-esque most common name. It’s a very good rose. It’s not my ideal esthetic as a Hybrid Tea as the blooms are cupped and David Austen-ish but that is going to make many people very, very happy. Color is bright, relatively unfading, deep saturated satin pink and the foliage is dark green, large, gorgeous. Plant grows more columnar than wide which with limited space I appreciate. The scent is divine, insane, rich, heady, old rose perfume & fresh grapefruit and it both wafts in the air outside and stays with the bloom for days when the bloom is cut. General impression is that of a distinction lacking typical Buck rose but with insane strong fragrance and an almost English Rose form. It’s going to ring a lot of bells, most consumers will find it appealing and it seems eager and easy to grow. I myself don’t love it. I’m glad I saved it. But sort of hate myself for saving that plant, too.
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I'm glad you saved it, and I hope you get to like it more. I agree with all you said, too many names most of which do not do the plant justice. It's a fabulous rose where I am in England, and one of the best I've grown I think, considering all round qualities, including the deep, dark velvety red buds. It's exceptional.
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What size does this rose get to?
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4 SEP 22 by
mballen
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'Chekhov' is a beautiful name -- after one of the greatest writers who ever lived, and, if contemporary accounts are to be believed, an exemplary, almost saintly human being in a profession not noted for such. He came from a peasant background, rather than the nobility and began his literary career by writing humorous pieces to support his impoverished family. As a physician he treated the poor for free.
I don't know why the rose isn't known by that name. If I were to grow it I would always call it that.
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I see it is described as 6b in hardiness which suggests it is slightly tender. Does anyone have any idea whether it will tolerate shady conditions?
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It is odd that HelpMeFind calls Fritz Nobis only mildly scented. Graham Stuart Thomas counts Fritz Nobis as a shrubby offspring of Rosa rubiginosa (Sweet Briar) that is "of superlative beauty for general use" (Shrub Roses of Today, p. 50) and says its fragrance reminds him of cloves." (p. 208) Thomas's remarks on the clove-like scent of Fritz Nobis are repeated in HelpMeFind's own entry on Fragrance, incidentally.
In his entry on Fritz Nobis in the same book Thomas says Fritz Nobis's "beautifully shaped semi-double flowers, opening from 'Ophelia'-like buds," derive from its parent 'Joanna Hill.' They are a "clear pink in two tones, and reveal a few yellow stamens, and are deliciously scented of cloves." He goes on to say that its "strong zigzag stems have a splendid lot of broad, dark green leaves" and calls it "An exceptionally fine shrub up to some 6 feet high and wide and of wonderful beauty at midsummer," with "round dull-reddish heps" in winter (p. 176).
On the whole, that is very high praise. I wonder if clones can lose fragrance over time, or are just not fragrant in certain conditions.
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20 DEC 20 by
jedmar
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HMF follows in its descriptions statements in the References, as well as information by members. In the case of 'Fritz Nobis' its fragrance is described as anywhere from none (Rose Annual 1982) to very fragrant (Modern Roses). Wilhelm Kordes himself in 1953 specified it as moderate. It seems FN smells differently depending on location and time. We have therefore modified the fragrance to "mild to strong". Thank you for your input!
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