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Elina is one of my favorites in my garden. Her blooms are outstanding and always perfect. Very disease resistant. She blooms nonstop until it hits about 107 and then she hits a wall. This past summer, she was blooming (in her second year) constantly through spring. She had big (and I mean BIG) plump upright buds and right as they were about to open, it hit 107 and the heads literally fell over and hung from the neck and she was done for the summer. But I love her so much that I will keep her anyway. Summer is our "dormant" time here in Arizona, as we like to say....and she blooms all through Fall, Winter and Spring so....
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Disappointed that Heirloom is still selling a rose under the name "Spiced Coffee" (which is a rose originally bred by Samuel McGredy as MAC Juliat) that is very clearly not the original Spiced Coffee. A true MACJuliat Spiced Coffee was sold by Anja at Ludwig's in Phoenix before it closed and several people in Phoenix purchased it and their roses exactly match the appearance of the originally bred MACJuliat rose.
Eager to have a rose that looked like the rose sold by Anja, I purchased the Spice Coffee rose last year that Heirloom is selling (as did several rose people I know online) and despite them identifying it as "MACJuliat", it is definitely not the same rose that was bred by Sam McGredy. To make matters worse, the one I purchased from Heirloom died of canker after it bloomed only once.
In fairness to Heirloom, the photo pictured on their website is what the rose you receive looks like when it blooms, but that picture is not of a true Samuel McGredy "MACJuliat" bred rose. I did send them a lengthy email explaining the discrepancy, yet in their reply they insisted it is the same rose.
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28 MAY 20 by
 jedmar
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Please see my remarks under 'Spiced Coffee'
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The description page describes this rose as being bred by Arthur P. Howard and introduced by the Great West Rose Co. and being a contrast x Queen Elizabeth, but I recently came across a news article from 1964 that suggests it is a rose bred by Bill Warriner when he was working at the Howard & Smith Nursery in Montebello. It also mentions that it's Queen Elizabeth x Henry Fonda. That article also suggests it was exhibited at the Exposition Park Rose Garden in Los Angeles and drew attention because of it's vigor and bloom size, which could last on a bush for 10 days. Assuming that rose garden still exists, it may be on display there as well. I'm happy to send a copy of the article if it helps. Let me know how and where to send/upload it.
Source: Los Angeles Times, 12 Jan 1964
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Send it exactly as you have done here with your comment and we will add it as a reference for ‘Williamsburg’. Add the page number, author and exact text.
And many thanks for your contribution DesertChildAZ. It is appreciated.
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I added images of that portion of the article itself. One full page and another of the specific page.
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Thank you DesertChildAZ. I’ve typed it up and added the reference. I found a few other references and added them too. Also changed the breeder from Howard to Warriner. It is of interest that in the Patent, taken out by Howard, he says “The original plant was produced by me in 1955 using Contrast as the seed parent and Queen Elizabeth as the pollen parent.” I suspect the Patent office required the breeder to submit the patent, but the breeder was too busy out in the fields dabbing pollen and so Howard had to do the bookwork.
It really does need an American volunteer to do these American roses for HelpMeFind, but nobody volunteers, and so we muddle on.
Thank you again.
Patricia, in Australia.
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I'm happy to help any way I can. My other hobby is genealogy, so I'm a researcher by nature. I also have a full subscription to newspapers.com so I can look up old articles on different roses if it helps. Unless someone can send me a list of particular roses they want researched, I can otherwise do it randomly.
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Thank you DesertChildAZ. We love help. Anything at all that you come across and is of interest. Type it up exactly and add it as a Comment and I will add it as a reference the same day. Take a look at the references for ‘Williamsburg’ and you will get the picture as to what is needed. Eventually, if you are enjoying it, we can get you to add references directly on to HelpMeFind.
As to what particular rose? Well, there is the parentage of ‘The Fairy’. For instance, why was the parentage changed in 1986 for this 1932 rose:
1980. Modern Roses 8. The Fairy (Lady Godiva sport)
1986. Modern Roses 9. The Fairy (Paul Crampel x Lady Gay)
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I'm trying to locate (for my garden) the Williamburg rose (by Arthur P. Howard). Can it still be found in the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden? Do you propogate or sell it? I find very little on this rose. Does it go by a different name now?
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HelpMeFind list this rose as Williamsburg, not Williamburg, but unfortunately no suppliers are mentioned.
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