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Rose Listing Omission
Subzero
White, strong fragrance, 1.5m
Ref: www.wagnersrosenursery.com.au/collections/2024-new-releases/products/subzero
Reply #1 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
Johno, I presume this is a Meilland Rose?
Reply #2 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberJohno
I would not make this assumption as Wagner's Roses has recently increased the number of firms it has taken on, being agents now for Delbard, Brundrett, Barni and David Austin.
Reply #3 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
I assumed, because the Victorian Racing Club website had an article on “Subbie and Graham” and have added a bit on the bottom:
“A brilliant white rose bred specifically for the Salisbury Subzero Memorial Rose Garden by Kim Syrus of Corporate Roses in South Australia.”
Reply #4 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberMargaret Furness
It would be nice to find the breeder's code for these new roses. And for Lady of the House.
Reply #5 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
Agree. The code for ‘Lady of the House’ is MASasch.
Reply #6 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberMargaret Furness
Thanks Patricia. I tried to track that down earlier, without success.
Reply #7 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
Me too. But Knight’s Roses is now listing the ‘Lady of the House’ code and we can thank Jedmar for finding that.
Reply #8 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberJohno
With that bit of information, it is a very good assumption to make.
Lady of the House was kept under the wraps for a long time and as far as I know you can still only purchase direct from the charity.
Reply #9 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
Another assumption - MEIfaissel ?
Reply #10 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberMargaret Furness
I don't think Wagner's would introduce the same rose under two names. (MEIfassel Introduced in Australia by Wagner's Rose Nursery in 2016 as 'Brilliance'.)
Reply #11 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
But Corporate Roses (agent for Meilland) could have given the white MEIfaissel to the Victorian Racing Club in memory of the snowy white horse called Subzero.
Reply #12 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberJohno
You may very well be right. I only purchased Brilliance (Meifaissel) this year and I can see the similarities. Both grow to 1.5m and have strong fragrance. It is interesting that both are charity roses. If they are the same, I do question the ethics of a grower having the variety under two different names in their catalogue.
Reply #13 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
I’ve opened a page for ‘Subzero’.
Reply #14 of 15 posted 3 days ago by HMF supporting memberMargaret Furness
No, why would it say "...bred by Kim Syrus"?
Reply #15 of 15 posted 2 days ago by HMF supporting memberjedmar
HMF Admin, can this discussion be moved to the new rose listing 91162 please?
I don’t think it can Jedmar. I’ve just copied from Website omissions and pasted to ‘Subzero’.
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12 DEC by
 jedmar
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Thank you, Patricia!
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Pierre Arditi (MEIcalanq), renamed as 'Subzero' is a 2024 new release rose, introduced in Australia by Corporate Roses. Patricia Routley, you may have to merge these two files together. There is also a confusion about MEIcalanq and MEIdiaphaz ( Jean Moreau: National Pride). Matthias Meilland has already said in a comment in MEIcalanq that these two are two distinct varieties.
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I am sure you are right Indra Ashokkumar. Have you seen a reference which links Subzero with MEIcalanq?
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#4 of 7 posted
8 days ago by
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Can confirm that Subzero is MEIcalanq and not MEIfaissel. Petal count is much higher, very double.
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Thank you both. Subzero merged with MEIcalanq. (a reference is always preferable).
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4 days ago by
jedmar
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The Rose Society of South Australia gives today on fb the story of Subzero (Meicalanq)
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Thanks Jedmar. Reference added.
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'Pierre Arditi' (MEIcalanq), renamed as 'Subzero' is a 2024 new release rose introduced in Australia by Corporate Roses.
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Available from - Knight's Roses, South Australia, Australia.
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Thank you Indra Ashokkumar. Synonym of ‘Dream Chaser’ added.
I wonder how it compares with ‘Special Mum’.
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Thank you Patricia Routley for adding the synonym 'Dream Chaser'. I believe 'Dream Chaser' was a new release in 2018. Could you please amend this information? 'Special Mum' is available in Australia under the name 'Bellissimo Mum'. I don't have 'Bellissimo Mum', so I wouldn't be able to make an accurate comparison. From the information available in Helpmefind.com and growers websites there are differences in their richness of colour, petal count and flower form. 'Special Mum' seems to be more compact than 'Dream Chaser'.
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Thank you Indra. Do you have a reference for the 2018 date please?
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Knight's Roses have confirmed that they released it in 2015.
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Brilliant. Thanks Indra.
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