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does anyone know if this rose has a single seed within it's hip? I collected alot of seed recently and messed up my names, but this lot was from hips that contained a single seed only in each hip. Pretty sure it was from Pomifera duplex, but would like to confirm
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The 1911 reference in 'The Australian' emphasizes Mme Charles' lack of thorns. I was wondering how this compares to bushes grown as Mme Charles. Not many photos here show much of the bush itself. I can't see any thorns on the bush in Photo Id: 143098, however the Sangerhausen specimen in Photo Id: 101062 has some distinct thorns.
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My notes from the Renmark collection, based on info from some of the Tealadies, are:
“Rose sold in Australia as Mme. Charles” ? Tea-noisette : not correctly identified. Ex Sangerhausen.
Syn: “European and American Papillon” (possibly the real ‘Papillon’). Pictured as ‘Papillon’ in the Quest-Ritson encyclopaedia.
This rose is sold in Australia as ‘Mme. Charles’, and as ‘Duke of York’ [ex Beales].
In the San Jose garden, it was under three names: ‘Papillon’, ‘Duke of York’, and ‘Souvenir de Mme. Ladvocat’.
I see also from the 'Mme Charles' hmf file, that one rose sold under that name in the US is the same as the rose sold incorrectly in Australia as 'Comtesse Riza du Parc'.
In summary, it's a mess.
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I am about to plant Etoile de Lyon, and was reading up about its parentage. Correct, Madame Charles identification is quite a mess!
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And that rose labelled Mme Charles in the US which is the same as our "Not Comtesse Riza du Parc" can also be found overseas as Dr Grill, Mme Falcot and the "Seven Days Rose".
Teas...
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HelpMeFind has two pages:
"Madame Charles - in commerce as (in USA)" (syn "Comtesse Riza du Parc - in commerce as (in Australia)".
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Madame Charles, Damaizin 1864.
I suspect your comments might be better cut and pasted as a new comment in the first page listed above.
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It is largely already there, on the description page of "Comtesse Riza du Parc - in commerce as, in Australia".
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Is this plant thornless?
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PhotoDiscussion id : 135-026
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Ditto can be removed please
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