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Horst Peters
most recent 4 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 NOV 11 by Horst Peters
Show your pictures are not ´The Pilgrim´?
Best regards,
Horst Peters
Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 FEB by MiGreenThumb
I am inclined to agree with you; the closer and longer I look, the more I believe this to not be Teasing Georgia. Especially since these are the only photos showing this bright yellow versus the darker apricot yellow the variety is known for. Roses are mutable, but the more carefully I look, the less I believe this could be Teasing Georgia.

Happy gardening!
most recent 8 SEP 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 31 AUG 12 by Horst Peters
sport of ´Mariatheresia´
Reply #1 of 8 posted 1 SEP 12 by Lyn G
Thank you for the information, but do you have a reference we can use to document the lineage ?

Reply #2 of 8 posted 3 SEP 12 by Horst Peters
Hello Liz,
I am a licensee of Rosen Tantau, every year I go to the field of this company in search of new varieties. Likewise, in 2007. Before the variety "Baroness" was the info:
"Baronesse (Mariatheresia - Sport)" - See pictures
2012, I had this variety in a pot. And I found a pale pink flowers on the pink ´Baronesse´:
See pictures.
A Sport? No, it's the mother plant: ´Mariatheresia´.

Other references I have not.
Perhaps it is sufficient?

Sincerely yours
Reply #3 of 8 posted 3 SEP 12 by Lyn G
Hi Hortz...

Yes, this is information ! Thank you for getting back to me.

On HMF we treat sports as separate plants and give them their own rose page with their own rose name.

Have you named your sport ? Will it be introduced into commerce after it has been tested by Tantau ?

What I think is best to do is to give your rose a unique name, set up the rose page and list you as the "discover, of the rose. We can listed it as "Pending Introduction", if it is not already in commerce.

You can send me a PM with as much information about the plant characteristics as possible
and we can move any photos to the new rose page as the sport is different from the Evers rose. If, after testing, the rose is introduced, we can up date the new rose page with that information. This time we can also list the lineage. Thank you ..... I just happen to be a lineage nut.

Please let me know how you wish to proceed.

Reply #4 of 8 posted 3 SEP 12 by Horst Peters
Hi Liz,

(my name is "Horst", not "Hortz" - smile!)

'Baroness' is a sport of 'Mariatheresa'! Tantau has the licenses of these roses. The names are from Tantau. I just wanted to show, 'Baroness' is a sport of 'Maria Theresa'. (How 'Winchester Cathedral' of 'Mary Rose' or 'Burgundy Ice' from 'Iceberg' (= 'Schneewittchen', Kordes 1958) ...)
(In my case is 'Baroness' fallen back into the mother plant ... that's all!. But a good proof of "parentage" ...)


Reply #5 of 8 posted 14 OCT 12 by Marina's Garden. Crawfordville, FL
Dear Horst,
Did you ever have a chance to see striped blooms on your Baronesse?
Mine almost always have stripes. Unfortunately, I don't have many pictures of this rose, just posted one today and you could see white stripes.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 24 OCT 12 by Horst Peters
Dear Amelia,

Sorry for the delay, we are now just back from a trip abroad.
Striped flowers I had not at that sort. But another member told me about it too. Your photo shows it well.
In my experience these sports often show this "back to the mother." "Winchester Cathedreal" - "Mary Rose", "Burgundy Ice" - "Iceberg" ("Schneewitchen") and many others.
If you still can make more photos available at HMF, it would be good. Make those photos more clearly the origin of the variety.

Reply #7 of 8 posted 6 FEB 13 by csb

I have 3 plants of Baronesse buy directly from Tantau and all 3 have the white stripes.

Reply #8 of 8 posted 8 SEP 19 by jedmar
One proof that 'Baronesse' is a sport of 'Mariatheresia' is that its code according to Tantau's Trademark listing is Tan97094 EdV. Tan97094 is 'Mariatheresia'. The EdV ending is found several times with other sports commercialized by Tantau, too. I suppose it is a kind of provisional breeder code until they are certain that the sport is stable.
most recent 2 DEC 14 SHOW ALL
Initial post 14 AUG 12 by Horst Peters
This rose smells strong, not mild.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 DEC 14 by turbobb
I fully agree.
most recent 1 OCT 12 SHOW ALL
Initial post 30 AUG 09 by Claus Elvers 1965
Available from - Rosen-Direct
Reply #1 of 1 posted 1 OCT 12 by Horst Peters
Available from, see: "Buy from" ...
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