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Hardy Roses most recent 30 JUN 06 SHOW ALL

Initial post 24 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797

Reply #1 of 15 posted 12 MAR 03 by Unregistered Guest

Dr. Brownell produced a number of cold-hardy roses called Sub-Zero Roses. Click on CUSTOM SEARCH. In the Rose Class field, select "Sub-Zero Roses" and then click the SEARCH button. When the list of roses that meet your criteria is displayed, click on a name to go to the page for that rose.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 15 posted 14 APR 03 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #3 of 15 posted 5 JUL 03 by D Mailhiot

Agriculture Canada has helped develope a series of very cold hardy roses. There are quite a few (maybe twenty) ranging from small to very large. They are known as the Explorer roses. So look for Baffin, Frobisher, Hudson etc... if they grow well here in Canada, they will certainly do well a bit further south!	REPLY

Reply #4 of 15 posted 12 MAY 05 by The Kaki

Check out the "Buck" Roses by Dr. Griffith Buck (now deceased), former professor at Iowa State University. they are not in all of the listhings of rose societies, but his daughter is trying to get them recognized. They were bred specifically for colder climates, but I love them in NC. They keep their leaves all winter long here. km	REPLY

Reply #5 of 15 posted 12 JAN 06 by Lenage

Hi! I,m growing a couple of the Explorer series, here in Hamilton, Ontario( zone 5b-6) and they are thriving. "Martin Frobisher", "Jens Munk", "J.P.Connell", - so far. I have a rugosa rose, 'Roserie de L,Hay", which came as a slip all the way from my mum,s ,up in North Bay, Ont. This thing could survive a nuclear war!! It has not only gone on, to run amuk at my mum,s ( it sent shoots everywhere, and self-propigated itself all along her fences...) -but, it,s quickly becoming a beast in my own garden. Griffith Buck, down your way, produced in his time, a lovely rose called" Carefree Beauty"(1977). I had the chance to see it growing at the Niagra Parks Botanical gardens/school, and it,s an amazingly pretty, open shrub, with very fragrant, pink flowers. It has nice hips in the fall as well. This rose might be more readily available to you? Most anything with a rugosa or species background will fare well in the cold with little protection. Good Luck! :D..Lenage.

Reply #6 of 15 posted 13 JUN 06 by NMrose

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Reply #8 of 15 posted 28 JUN 06 by Elizabeth Lee

There are two groups of roses developed by Agriculture Canada, the Explorer roses developed primarily in Ottawa and the Parkland series developed out in Morden Manitoba. I have several Parkland roses and quite a few Explorer roses. Both are extremely hardy for me, I live in Guelph Ontario which is near Toronto, zone 4-ish. I also have some of the Buck roses, I am have to admit that they are not as hardy in my environment as the Explorer and Parkland roses.

Reply #9 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Unregistered Guest

Hi!.. Welll, I,m about to find out all abou tthe Buck roses this coming winter.. I just planted a beautiful one, called " April Moon". I fell totally in love with it, as soon as I saw it.. As a matter of fact, the one Isaw and liked, was the very one the nursery had in one of thier display urns, so to absolutely guarantee I got that very one, I grabbed that display rose up,and bought it. There were so many other lovelies to choose from, I didn,t want to accidently buy the wrong rose..LOL!! 'April Moon' wasn,t listed on the Griffith Buck internet site I found, so, I,m guessing it might be newer one he might have developed before passing away(?). It,s gorgeous! Light, creamy blossoms ( semi-double), with a sweet, almost creamy scent, and the most wonderful bronzy foliage I,ve ever seen on a rose. As a matter of fact, if I didn,t get blossoms this side of the season, I,d be alright with just it,s foliage. ( of course, I am getting blossoms, but I had to mention this foliage..:D..) Anyways, I hope your Buck roses survive ok. I,m in a slightly more agreeable part of the province, so maybe they do better here..(?) ( Hamilton, zone 5b) ..How about wintering yours over ,like you might a hybrid tea rose?? Now that you,ve made this mention about hardiness, I might be tempted to do so, as I reallly like this one alot! ( I bought mine on sale, but still, it was a pretty steep investment I made, for my b-day,as I ,ve read so much about Griffith Buck, but had not been able to find many of his roses here. This year, the nursery went nuts,and brought lots of his roses in, but they were a wee bit expensive..) Well, Good luck, and I hope they work out for you.. BTW,... Which ones do you have growing right now?? Ooh,,, and does anyone out in 'rose land' know of a good book ( with nice, color photos of his roses) that specializes in Griffith Buck the way so many books do about David Austin?? Thanks, Lenage.

Reply #10 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Elizabeth Lee

I had Hi Neighbor, but it did not survive the winter. It showed great promise this spring and then just rapidly went down hill. Wild Ginger and Aunt Honey came through the winter, but they showed a lot of die back on the canes. I have to admit that this has not deterred me from the Buck roses. I went a bit nuts and brought in Folksinger, Prairie Harvest, Prairie Sunrise, Iowa Belle, Earthsong, and Music Maker. But as you suggested I am going to treat them a bit more like HTs than Explorers this fall. Good luck with April Moon.

Reply #11 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Unregistered Guest

Thanks! It sounds like you,ve aquired quite a few of his roses.. They are nice, eh? My space is abit limited now,as I already have ( including my 'April Moon") about 26 roses in between lots of perrenials and bulbs and such. Maybe more.. Yes, I forgot about my other little mini roses, all done up in pots... That makes my collection at around..31, as I have 5 new minis in pots. :D.... Of course, shovelling new beds is a great way to control one,s figure,and make room for more...:D:D:D..Lenage.

Reply #12 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by NMrose

Lenage: Try the Buck rose website: www.ag.iastate.edu/centers/cad/rose

Pretty decent website dedicated to Dr Buck and his roses with decent pictures. Also try the Reiman Garden site at Iowa State-they have 75 of Dr. Bucks roses in the garden there with pictures.

www.reimangardens.iastate.edu

Of course there plenty here on this site also.

I have 20 Buck roses here in the High desert of New Mexico, very mild Zone 7 west of Rockies near the Rio Grande river. I had over 40 Buck's when I lived in Iowa. I am an Iowa State grad and was there at the height of Dr. Bucks breeding program in early 70's. The campus had many rose plantings in the Ag area of the campus. As a senior there in 1975 I was forced to take a seminar by Dr. Buck-what a neat presentation on winter hardy roses bred for the upper Midwest(I didn't want to go but wanted to graduate). My mother had a terrible time with roses at home-the budded tea types with winter kill. I approached Dr. Buck about where to find his rose commercially, he stated " I bred them-I don't sell them" that was the problem with him, he was brilliant but not marketing savy, He has passed and now his roses are very popular. He invited me to the green house across from Kildee hall where most of my class where. After 3-4 visits of not finding him there I tried early one morning before a 8:00 AM class. I never made to class that day, he showed me things that we amazing. I pressed him for where to find them and explained my mothers rose problems, he handed me a 4" pot with an "own root" Rose in it. The marker said Earth song. I hadn't planned on going home that weekend but did and Mom planted the rose. It was still blooming last June when I visited there last year. 30 years old and still covered in pink blooms. It grows with no winter protection what so ever. Frankly my brother and sister in law don't pay any attention to it.

That's my Buck story-Favorites are Apple Jack (Dr Buck used this rose as "anti-freeze" in his breeding program),Polonaise(non stop red shrub) Earth Song(my wife's favorite) Honey Sweet(there was bed of these outside Kildee Hall in the mid 70's striking and fragrant), Summer Wind, Prairie Harvest,(tall yellow shrub) and ElCatala. just planted April Moon.

Reply #13 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by NMrose

Are you buying and planting own root roses or budded??	REPLY

Reply #14 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Unregistered Guest

Hello, NMrose.... Very cool story about actually meeting Dr. Buck himself... I am pretty sure I bought an 'own root' rose ,as far as my G.B. rose is concerned. I,m not so certain about all my other ones, as I have bought them from all over the place here, at different times, and never really even considered that issue... I,ve been fortunate not to lose the ones I have so far, so, that,s a good thing... I do miss my ' Westerland'... It died on me, a couple of winters ago, but I got at least 2 good seasons out of it. That might be one I replace sometime in the future. Sounds like you,re having fun down there, where you are with your roses.. Do you have issues with water or anything like that? New Mexico... I keep thinking ( maybe incorrectly..) that it has a fairly dry climate there... Lenage.

Reply #15 of 15 posted 30 JUN 06 by NMrose

7" of moisture per year and in the 7 Th year of drought. High desert (Mile high) however we live in the river valley with 10,000 feet Rockies 10 miles to our east. No mildew or rust or fungal problems, fantastic rose climate. I have drip system on everything from fruit trees to my tomatoes to conserve water. We pay $100.00 month for water, very expensive here and getting worse every year. Got our first major rain Tuesday in 8 months, 1" of moisture was nice.

I have 200+ roses, climbers about 20, miniature's, Bucks, a few teas and flourbindas. we don't do much fussing about with our roses. dead head etc but nothing special.

I encourage any one in a cold norther climate to go "own root" budded roses need to much protection. A frozen bud union in your climate is probably the biggest cause of winter kill. i select for own root only now for longevity reasons and cost of replacement.

Good luck

Reply #16 of 15 posted 30 JUN 06 by Unregistered Guest

Well, now that I,m begining to get the idea , as I go along, I will certainly be looking for the 'own root' on any future roses. I,ve read the advantages over and over in my gardening books, but maybe the milder part of our province has made me lazy.. I grew up in -50 centigrade winters and up there, we didn,t focus as much on growing roses.. I was thrilled to find I could grow them so easily where I am now. However, I am learning, that there is, indeed, a winter here , even if it,s milder and wetter. Actually, the milder winter might be part of the problem,as there,s not much, in the way of snow-cover, so, protection is even more important, to keep the freeze-thawing cycles( back and forth) from killing them. ( heaving and wind-rock are also problems..) In late fall, when things do begin to freeze up, some of my roses done up in large pots,are hilled , then, wrapped up, and stored in a protected shed. This method worked very well for me last year, so that, I still have my 'Joseph,s Coat' and 'L.D. Braithewaite' growing, alive and well... Really neat, reading about your own unique climatic conditons down there, NMrose. Happy gardening! Lenage.

Miniature Roses most recent 28 JUN 06 SHOW ALL

Initial post 12 MAR 03 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #1 of 5 posted 12 MAR 03 by Unregistered Guest

One of the best yellow Miniatures, if not the best yellow Miniature, hands down, is 'Rise 'n' 'Shine'. Brought to you by Ralph Moore back in the late 70's, this award-winning rose has also been used by breeders around the world to produce many other award-winning roses.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 5 posted 2 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest

According to the 2005 American Rose Society (ARS) Roses in Review (RIR), Jeanne Kenneally is the highest rated miniature (9.2/apricot blend/Double/1984), Jeanne Lajoie (9.2/Medium Pink/Full/1975) the highest rated climbing miniature, and Robin Red Breast (8.8/Red Blend/Single/1983) the higest rated mini-flora.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 APR 05 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

This is almost an impossible question to answer because now there are thousands of different cultivars. When Ralph Moore started hybridizing miniature roses over 70 years ago, there were only five miniature roses available to him. Since then he has introduced over 500 roses and other breeders have built upon his work to introduce other beautiful roses. The "best" rose is always the rose that calls your name.

Smiles,

Lyn
helpmefind.com

Reply #4 of 5 posted 12 MAY 05 by The Kaki

I love all my mini's, and all do well: Rise & Shine is a real trooper, but look at Pretty in PInk, Green Ice, Fairy Damsel, Minnie Pearl. It all depends on how you want them to look, color and shape of bloom. Try several. They're great for planting under larger roses too.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 5 posted 28 JUN 06 by Minirose#1

Greetings, All miniature roses are the best. But to start you may wish to purchase a membership with the American Rose Society, in Shreveport, Louisiana. You will receive a rose listing pamphlet that rates a great number of miniatures. You will learn the highest rated miniatures. You may wish to start with roses rated 8.0 or higher. Purchasing American Rose Society Award of Excellence winners and Hall of Fame miniatures (A few roses have both honors.) A couple of Miniature Roses have been selected as All-American Roses. More should have been in my humble opinion. Color, size, bloom (B) size, fragrance, prolific bloomer, and leaf color, shape and size, hardiness, disease resistance, etc., will help you decide what you like and wish to plant in what I hope will become your miniature garden. Planting Miniature Roses and watching them flourish is a wonderful experience. Good Luck, Frank Adams Mini-roses#1

Companion Plants most recent 14 MAY 05 SHOW ALL

Initial post 18 MAR 03 by Anonymous-797

Last Spring I started a small rose garden. But it looks pretty sparce especially around the higher rose plants. What are other plants that look good and are compatiable around roses?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 8 posted 30 MAR 03 by Anonymous-797

Lots of things look good, depends on the colors of your roses and your tastes. Because your rose garden is hopefully in sun, you have a broad selection of perennials. I like lavender, irises, peonies, veronica, hollyhocks, phlox and of course, baby's breath. You could also include some annuals such as nicotiana, snapdragons, statice.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 8 posted 31 MAY 03 by Unregistered Guest

I live in Andrews,NC,in the Mountains here,are a type of wild lilly called Aletris farinosa,most people call it unicorn plant or star root. I also plant Ginseng around roses,thier berries are beautifully red in the fall! I have both Aletris and Ginseng seeds and root-stock for sale. charles@webworkz.com	REPLY

Reply #3 of 8 posted 6 JUN 03 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #4 of 8 posted 24 AUG 03 by Unregistered Guest

Clematis is beautiful for climbing roses,but if you can find perennial Baby's Breath to plant close under your roses,it will grow up through them and bloom beautifully with your roses! Make sure it's not the creeping kind.Baby's Breath is a loose blooming plant and your roses just seem to be floating on a soft,fluffy cloud! It's great together! It comes in white or pink,I believe,but am not sure about the perennial plant.I have only got white.Good luck!
(Also,the Giant Pacific Delphiniums are gorgeous with roses!)

Reply #5 of 8 posted 9 MAR 05 by Unregistered Guest

You could underplant with nepeta (cat mint) - especially the larger variety, Six Hills Giant, is pretty, providing cover for any bare rose stems. It flowers for a long time in summer - longer than lavender for example, and is easy to grow. The flowers are blue-ish, purple, so depending on taste it may not blend well with the colours of your roses. Disadvantages are that some cats (not all!) are mad about nepeta and will lie on the plants, and the plants die back in winter.

Renella

Reply #6 of 8 posted 13 MAR 05 by Anonymous-97434

Something to consider...if disease is a problem in your area, underplanting your roses will make it more difficult to clean the fallen leaves, and hence, the disease spores, from your beds. Personally, I've been more satisfied by using a good, organic mulch under the plants and bordering the beds with either annuals, or more mannerly perennials. When I prune, I defoliate and wish to remove all the fallen leaves. "Stuff" under the plants require more effort and care to remove these infected leaves. It's up to you.

Reply #7 of 8 posted 12 MAY 05 by The Kaki

I love my herbs with my roses. They all need lots of sun and water, and the herbs have small roots so they don't interfere with my rose roots. North Carolina	REPLY

Reply #8 of 8 posted 14 MAY 05 by Gina Stepp

I don't know if you can grow lantana in your area, but in southern california the trailing variety (not the bush) looks lovely under roses and covers quickly, eliminating weeding. (Always my first goal). It blooms from spring to fall, and unlike some ground covers, it doesn't put down roots everywhere, so it's easy to keep a circle pulled back around the base of each rose, for the purposes of fertilizing, etc. Lantana doesn't take a lot of water away from the roses, butterflies love it, and you can get it in white, yellow, purple or a combination. The clusters of flowers have a nice scent and it is easy to care for. Just keep it where you want it using hedge clippers. In 7 years of growing roses in Lantana, I don't have a single bad thing to say about this ground cover.

Looking For... most recent 12 MAY 05 SHOW ALL

Initial post 13 SEP 03 by Unregistered Guest

I have no idea about what to ask because I need to know everything. I want to start a beautiful rose garden at my new home and have no idea how or what roses to choose or how what I need to do to prepare the soil. I live in the Birmingham area of Alabama and have so much uncultivated land to work with. Can anyone help me and direct me to the right books or whatever you can do? I know that I do want one climbing rose, prefferably pink, to arch over a pathway we plan. Not only do I need to know what type roses and the preparation I would also like suggestions on which type to plant together so it will make a nice rose garden,

Thanks For All Advice!

Deb

Reply #1 of 2 posted 5 MAY 03 by HMF supporting member

The Old Rosarian

Here is an excellent web site to get you started on growing roses. It wiill tell you all you need to know to start your garden.
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/publications/roses/rose.html
The best rose book to get is one that is for your zone as you will have certain growing conditions that are different from other zone. Orthos All About Roses is a good one ( and reasonable) to start with. Gardens are an extension of you and you are the best person to design it. Only put into your garden the plants that please you, never mind what other people think. That way it will always be a joy to be in for you.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 MAY 05 by The Kaki

Go to www.ncroseland.com. You can contact Donny Rico and she will help you find just the right roses for you. She helped me and she has never been wrong yet. She grows only own root roses that are mostly disease resistant. If I can do it anyone can. I use Bayer's 2 in 1 systemic for both bugs and disease and occasionally some sevin dust.	REPLY