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most recent 20 FEB 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 SEP 06 by BAM
I am looking for a yellow rose that could be planted in a group with 'Jardins de Bagatelle' and 'Truly Yours' and have the same compact vertical growth habit (to 3.5 to 4 feet tall) and large full bloom.  It seems Helmut Schmidt may fit.  It would be planted in front of 'Jardins de Bagatelle' and next to 'Truly Yours'.  Does 'Helmut Schmidt' have a similar growth habit?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 19 APR 08 by Unregistered Guest
Two yellow roses that grow tall: SOLSTICE & MICHELANGELO are both nice. Mich has a great scent and deep color. Sol is light & faint with long, tall stems that blow in the breeze, very nice for a cottage look.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 19 FEB 19 by Michael Garhart
I really like Keep Smiling a lot. Seems to check all the boxes.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 20 FEB 19 by Nastarana
FRYflorida looks lovely, but not available anywhere in North America.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 20 FEB 19 by Michael Garhart
Hortico had it last year. Maybe call them see if they have it next year.
most recent 25 DEC 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 21 JUN 05 by Unregistered Guest
How does this compare to Mr Lincoln or Black Magic, as I have both of these in my
garden now. Does it have the velvet texture ? How long do the blooms last? --K Haas
Reply #1 of 12 posted 22 JUN 05 by Anonymous-97434
Papa Meilland is a weaker grower, just as fragrant as Mr. Lincoln, much blacker and more addicted to mildew and rust. Papa Meilland, Mr. Lincoln and Oklahoma are all from the same parents and share similarities. Meilland is the weaker grower and more diseased troubled. Its blooms should last similarly to Mr. Lincoln. I haven't grown Black Magic so I can't comment on it. Would I grow Papa Meilland? I have grown it. It's beautiful. If you want "black roses" with fragrance, Papa and Oklahoma are two of the 'better" black roses.
Reply #5 of 12 posted 30 JUL 07 by BAM
I am interested in trying Papa Meilland, and would like to know if it can stand up to the heat in the summer. I live in zone 7 in the mid Atlantic region, and it gets hot and humid. Opening Night and Olympiad do well, lasting a week to 10 days in the garden, but have no scent. Love's Magic (Liebeszauber) only lasts 3-4 days from tight bud with open sepals to seeing the edges of the bloom "burn". I want to find a dark red rose with good scent that will last a week in the garden.

Reply #6 of 12 posted 30 JUL 07 by Judith C.
Papa Meilland was created in a hot place, zone 7, where I am. I haven't got that one, but Botero stands the heat very well, as does the new Harkness Carris ... Botero has a fantastic scent ...
Reply #7 of 12 posted 30 JUN 12 by Tom Smith
Hey, Tom here! Where did you purchase your Botero from? According to the HMF site all of the vendors are out of the country. (USA) If you have any ideas on how to get a plant, let me know. Thanks!
Reply #8 of 12 posted 1 JUL 12 by HMF Admin
And us (HMF) too !
Reply #9 of 12 posted 1 JUL 12 by Judith C.
Hi, Tom! Sorry, but bought from Meilland here in France. I'll have a look, but I presume they won't post to the US - problems with customs, etc.. :(
Reply #2 of 12 posted 25 JUN 05 by Terre
I have had good experience with Papa Meilland and really treasure it's rich color. It is somewhat subject to mildew just like it's sibling Mr. Lincoln, and does not grow the hefty canes (yet) that Mr Lincoln can. It does have a velvety substance or texture and is best grown with companion plants to reduce burning from sunglare and heat reflecting soil.
Reply #4 of 12 posted 20 JUL 07 by BAM

I saw your answer to a question you posted in 2005 concerning Papa Meilland and its potential for the petals to burn. I live in the mid Atlantic region, and it gets HOT and HUMID in the summer. Do you think I will have trouble with petal burn, and will it be worth trying? Also, could you comment on the "shape" of the bush, rounded like 'Sunset Celibration, Wide V like 'St Patrick', etc.

Reply #3 of 12 posted 30 AUG 05 by Unregistered Guest
Most will say that Papa is more difficult to grow than Mr Lincoln, however I have not found Papa that touchy. I feel that Papa has a more pleasant sweeter fragrance that Mr Lincoln (although both are super!). Mr Lincoln in my garden opens flatter and is slightly lighter in colour. On the negative side Papa's growth is more untidy that Mr Lincoln.

I have not grown Balck Magic so I cannot comment on this rose.
Reply #10 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by Michael Garhart
Black Magic is virtually scentless, and quite cold prone. Mr Lincoln and Oklahoma are HUGE HTs. I have seen many that are 10' tall here. Papa M, like Crimson Glory is a weak little thing, with really neat blooms.

Firefighter is really good, but not "black". Velvet Fragrance is also great, and dark, but it is very heat prone.

There really is no "best fragrant black-red" yet. It's a color littered with issues yet to be bred out.

I am currently growing Claret. It will be its 2nd year next summer, so time will tell. It is dark, short, and fragrant.
Reply #11 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by Nastarana
There was heavy rain one spring in the Central Valley. That year, the Mr. Lincoln blooms were as big as dinner plates.
Reply #12 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by Michael Garhart
Yup. Proudland gets that way too.
most recent 7 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 28 JUL 14 by BAM
Hi everyone,

I have not posted in some time and have had some password problems, but hopefully they are all fixed. I tried 'Wildfire' despite the mixed reviews and lack of scent for the color. My experiences were consistent with all the comments. My 'Wildfire' came on 'Dr Huey' rootstock, and the result was a poor growing plant, but the flower color was stunning. 'Dr Huey' is not my favorite rootstock here in southern NJ. we have sandy low organic matter soil with a naturally low pH and HOT and HUMID summers. Most of my roses are own root, a few are on multiflora, and they do well, but 'Dr Huey' is good for a few varieties, ok for a few more, but not as good for many others, so I rooted some cuttings and tried 'Wildfire' on its own roots. 'WILDFIRE' IS A VIGOROUS AND HEAT TOLERANT ROSE ON ITS OWN ROOTS! I root roses over the winter and plant them in May out of six inch pots. the rooted cutting grew past the grafted rose the first summer, so I threw out the grafted plant and kept the rooted cutting. Buy it on its own roots if you can find it, or if you must buy it on 'Dr Huey', plant it someplace temporary, root your cutting, and toss the grafted version. Note, that I have not tried 'Wildfire on 'Multiflora'.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 29 JUL 14 by Margaret Furness
Dr Huey is really for alkaline soils.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 29 JUL 14 by BAM
My understanding is that 'Dr Huey' tolerates alkaline soils and can grow well in alkaline soils, which is not exactly the same thing as requires alkaline soils and does poorly at any pH below 7.0. That would mean 'Dr Huey' was poorly adapted to most of the eastern half of the country. I may have falsely given the impression that I feel that pH is the whole story. In fact, I think soil texture may be more important than the pH issue with 'Dr Huey'.

Like many builders, the one that constructed our house had not sense of horticulture. He needed to change the grade, so he brought in terrible non-draining fill on top of which he spread about six inches of topsoil from another site. the original soil on our lot was a Downer Loamy Sand which was 88-90% sand, 8-10 % silt and 1-2% clay with about 1% organic matter and pH of 4.5 to 5.0. This is a productive fast draining early warming soil when fertility and irrigation are provided.

In prep for the rose garden, the builders topsoil, a Sandy Loam with about 66% sand, 30% silt, and 4% clay was removed and piled. The poor draining fill was removed and disposed of. The resulting hole was 3-4 feet deep. The hole was back filled to within 16 inches of the surface with sand, a readily available commodity in south Jersey, which drained like the Downer Loamy Sand we excavated down to. The piled topsoil was sifted and mixed one third topsoil, one third sand, and one third leaf compost (by volume). Lime was added during mixing to bring the pH to about 6.5. The resulting soil resembled the original Downer Loamy Sand, but 16 inches deep and fast draining with enhanced organic matter and water holding capacity throughout the 16 inch deep topsoil profile. Water is provided by permanent trickle irrigation monitored by tensiometers. I have found it to be an outstanding soil for growing almost anything, but not 'Dr Huey'.

We also have a display rose garden at the front of Rutgers Agricultural Research Farm where the soil is less sandy, classified as a Loam with 2% organic matter. This soil is about 50 % sand, 40% silt and 10 % clay, not a heavy soil by national standards, bu heavy for south Jersey. 'Dr Huey' performs better in the heavier soil at the research farm.

I think soil texture may be more important than pH within reason.

Reply #3 of 5 posted 30 JUL 14 by Margaret Furness
Food for thought: thank you!
Reply #4 of 5 posted 7 JUN 15 by Dianne's Southwest Idaho Rose Garden
Interesting thread. In southwestern Idaho our soil is fairly alkaline and most roses do quite well, either own root or on Dr. Huey or multiflora. My Wildfire is on Dr. Huey and has thrived. It's a spectacular rose, except for lack of scent.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 7 OCT 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for that info, I agree: Dr. Huey does very well in my alkaline & rock hard clay.
most recent 12 SEP 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 FEB 09 by John Moody
I have grown this rose for two years and am "Falling In Love" with it, LOL!!! The bush is very vigorous growing and disease resistant. It was also winter hardy it's first year in my garden. It is one of the slower to break dormancy in spring but once it does it catches up quickly. The only drawback to this bush is the immense number of wicked thorns that it gets from it's pollen parent Marilyn Monroe.
The blooms are to die for! They are large and heavily petalled and very high centered and generally are the most beautiful pearly soft pink that lasts the entire life of the bloom. The color to my eye is the exact same color as the pink edging seen on the seed parents Moonstone's blooms. The color has a smoothness I think it gets from MM as well. And, to top it off, the blooms are very fragrant which is very rare in a rose with such heavy petal substance.
The petals are a very nice rounded shape which adds to the beautiful form. My blooms last a minimum 12 days on the bush or when properly cut and prepped for a vase in the home.
I think this rose is so versatile as it is excellent in the garden on the bush, in a vase for the home, and is even quality enough to make a good exhibition rose that actually has fragrance. I have one bush and am planning on getting many more as I think this rose is one of the rare roses that got all the good qualities available from it's parents which makes it even better than these two great Hybrid Tea roses themselves. If you don't have it, you should definiteley get one to give it a try. I am positive you will be glad that you did.
UPDATE 7/2009--I am very sad and sorry to say that my "Falling In Love" bush has died. I have no idea what caused the plant to deteriorate so quickly as it did. One day it seemed fine and really starting to put on it's Spring growth, and the next day it was limp and weak looking and within 10 days it was completely dead. I was stunned and of course very saddened as I was really beginning to like this rose immenseley. I love it's parentage and it is lucky enough to inherit most of the good qualities they had to offer. I will definitely replace this one and probably add on another or two to go along with it so the new FIL bush will not be lonely and have good company. I am starting a new bed, and this will be a good time to add them. I think the local nursery may still have a few that the rosarian started as bareroots this Spring. So, I will just have to begin again with this one.
But, I would still like to know what caused the bush I had to fall apart and die as it did. I won't take the chance and replant in that garden spot using the same soil that is in the hole. I will dig it out and replace it with some freshly mixed soil just in case there is something in that soil that is the cause for my original "Falling In Love" to die. Wish me luck!!
Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 JUN 09 by BAM
I am very interested in trying Falling in Love. Could you comment on the size and shape of the bush and perhaps compare it to some I know to help me place it?

Warm Wishes (Sunset Celebration) medium height, bushy & rounded
St Patrick - medium height, bushy wide "V"
M. Koopman - bushy but taller than wide
Jardins de Bagetella or Truly Yours - compact and very vertical
Touch of Class - tall spreading "V"
Brides Dream - very tall more vertical "V"

Hopefully I have chosen some well know examples you are familiar with.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 SEP 15 by Michael Garhart
Plant is similar to 'Marilyn Monroe. So, moderate height, wide, and really thorny.
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