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So far it is proving to be far less than a prolific bloomer : (
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We have the original catalogues from Jenő Halász, who was selling 'Budapest' in the late 1960es and early 1970es in Hungary. According to the description in these catalogues, 'Budapest' was bred by:
Oláh (1966).
The catalogue describes the bloom as "amber yellow, with pink petal edges, with long stems. The bloom is long lasting, large, healthy, excellent for cutting."
We add to this that 'Budapest' has dark green, glossy, leathery foliage, almost no thorns. The bush is about 60 cm tall and 40 cm wide.
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#1 of 3 posted
22 AUG 11 by
 jedmar
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Thank you for this clarifying information. Of course, 'Peace' might be in the parentage of 'Budapest'.
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22 AUG 11 by
Pongracz
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Hi Jedmar, I had the exact same feeling about the possible parentage once I realized it was surely not a Peace. In the 50-60-70 era, so many roses were bred from Peace, not to mention the sports of Peace, it is very likely that they are related as this appeared in that time frame.
How sad that the people involved are gone and cannot answer the many questions we have eh.
Thanks for updating the rose info!
Celeste and Péter
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It has Peace's dominant trait foliage, so it could potentially be either a direct hybrid or grandkid of Peace.
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It ain't white. Why is this sort of error not picked up by those who monitor this site? Charles Quest-Ritson.
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23 AUG 12 by
Pongracz
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Dear Mr. Quest-Ritson, We can assure you this is the White Queen Elizabeth, it can be flushed with pink upon opening, especially in a shady location or during a sunless period. Sports are also known to revert back to their parent from time to time, as I am sure you are aware. Normally this is not a very spectacular rose, but this time it was very unique and that was why we sent the picture to HMF. Sometimes flowers can do the most interesting things and this is what we find most interesting and these are the pictures we mostly like to upload, to show how wonderful and unique each flower is.
We have several of your books and we fully respect your opinion and knowledge, but we assure you this is the White Queen Elizabeth being contrary as her highness is entitled to be. At most other times she is her Whitest, but on this day, she chose to wear pink. This is what makes roses so much fun, don't you think?
Our best regards to you! Celeste and Péter
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Thank you for your detailed response about how a rose which is the sport of another rose can revert back to the original rose. I have removed the inaccurate code.
It might be valuable to site users down the road if you included the information that this photo of 'White Queen Elizabeth' is a reversion. Using the EDIT button when you open your photo will allow you to edit your comments.
btw ... a lovely photo.
Smiles,
Lyn
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#4 of 5 posted
24 AUG 12 by
Pongracz
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Hi Lyn, thanks! I did edit the photo description, my bad. I will try to do that from now on when it is unusual. We have many unusual photos, we just forget to give a bit more detail.
The inaccurate code was still showing, I guess it takes a bit of time, no worries in any case.
Smiling back at ya!
Celeste and Péter
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I am so sorry... I have only just signed up for HMF and I did not realise that my comments to the administrator would be sent to you. What I was suggesting was that HMF should have some procedure in place that would enable it to intervene when a picture is posted that seems, prima facie, to be wrongly named. I thought it should have queried the pinkness of your 'White Queen Elizabeth' when you first posted it. Your explanation, of course, is quite acceptable, though I wonder whether it is correct to post the reversion as 'WQE' or 'QE'? If HMF says that it does not have the staff to monitor uploads, then that is a serious matter... it would seem that HMF has created a Leviathan that it cannot control.
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We do not have the resources to monitor the addition of every photo everyday. Instead we count on the HMF community to point out possible errors and hopefully take the time to report them to us as you have done here - thank you very much. We will look into the matter.
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Pretty rose, but that name is hardly "melodic" to American ears. I'm a bit bemused the name translates to "Lady" per Google.
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23 AUG 12 by
Pongracz
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Hi Kim! Don't believe everything you translate on google ; ) in particular Hungarian! Boldogasszony is the Hungarian name for the Blessed Virgin Mary. As an American living in Hungary for many years now (and married to a native Hun), I can honestly say the language is really very beautiful and one of total sense, although I pronounce it very poorly (it is something your mouth muscles need to learn as a child). How the word is spelled is how it is pronounced, totally phonetic is the alphabet and not like the English pronunciation in many cases.
If I were to try to explain how to say it with American English phonetics, it would be: Bowl-dog-ass-sone-yah, well something like that; boldog means happy and asszony does mean lady, but together they mean something else. Many Hun words are compound, with lots of additional prefixes and suffixes to drive someone trying to learn the language to utter madness! But yeah it is hard not to smile when I see a word in another language that means something else not so good in English too, like Herz Ass....I cannot say that roses' name with a straight face! Usually I just point at it and grin. A good sense of humor is a good thing to have, it can make even the darkest days brighter!
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#2 of 4 posted
23 AUG 12 by
Jay-Jay
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Herz Ass = ...Ace of Hearts
But the Bulldog's Ass Soon Yeah, sounds better!
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I like your version, Jay-Jay!
But perhaps we should all wonder what our own names might mean or sound like in another language. I wince every time MacFarland (Roses of the World in Colour) makes a snide remark about a rose name from another language, while refraining from commenting on equally ponderous names in English. We're citizens of the world, and roses cross borders. (Well, not when Australian Quarantine is involved!)
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Or even American restrictions these days. I've just been wrung through the permit process, my first time in nearly thirty years. Not only is it impossible to import much of anything thicker than bud wood, but it costs outrageous amounts of money for "inspection" and "security".
I understand your point, Margaret. Imagine what someone speaking some other language thinks about such names as "Happy Butt"! Good, heavens! LOL!
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