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most recent 19 APR 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 MAY 05 by Gina Stepp
Everyone has a favourite rose -- I always find it interesting to ask people about theirs, I usually end up with another one to add to the ever growing list of roses I'd love to add to my garden. My personal criteria is: long lasting on plant and in vase, great scent, and something in the pale yellow to apricot range, although a bit of pale pink or cream in the mix is nice. I love the David Austins, but I can find a favourite in almost any class of roses. One rose I've acquired in the last couple of years that I love is Bella 'Roma, not only because of its magnificent beauty, but because it lasts a very long time on and off the plant, and has a gorgeous scent on top of everything else. I'd love to hear some of the other favourites out there -- if you post one, please also include the particular characteristics that make it your favourite. I'm always looking for new roses to fall in love with....
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 31 AUG 07 by Warski
I 've just posted my thoughts on Love"s Promise (GF). If you look it up on this site, you might enjoy what I wrote as I enjoyed reading your reflections on Bella' Roma. Love's Promise has recently become my favorite rose...I know, that statement is always subject to change.
Yours Truly,
Warski
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 31 AUG 07 by HMF Admin
Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. Your posts are a valuable contribution to HMF.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 1 SEP 07 by Judith C.
Have looked up Love's Promise (in fact a Meilland), but I can't seem to find your recent thoughts, Warren ...?
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 31 AUG 07 by Judith C.
One rose that you might like is Double Delight - great as a cut flower and has a magnificent scent. Otherwise my favourites (maybe the list is going to be a bit long!):
Caprice de Meilland (for colour, bloom frequency, length of flowering period -early spring till beginning of winter, through boiling sun, drought, cooler, rainy periods, long stems with very few thorns, great scent, excellent in a vase)(Also, an afterthought, if ever it does become affected by BS - I don't treat my roses - the stems grow faster than the evolution of the disease ...)
Rhapsody in Blue (healthy, vigorous, great colour)
Chartreuse de Parme (colour, scent, great as a cut flower)
Carris (loads of flowers, long-lasting on the bush and when cut)
Savoy Hotel (nice smallish flower, fanastic in a vase)
Tequila (great colours, vigorous)
Carte Blanche (very vigorous, very long perpetual flowering)
I'd better stop there, I think, though I could carry on!!!
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 1 SEP 07 by Warski
Dear Judith,
Oddly enough, Love's Promise had, just that day, replaced Double Delight as my favorite rose. I'm afraid, I shall be a fickle lover, as I continue to discover more and more. One shouldn't really have a favorite rose - a favorite group of roses would, perhaps, be more fair for all of us.
Your recommendations were wonderful and I knew none of them. I looked-up each one and was very impressed, grateful for the new information. Do you live outside the USA? If not, I've got more to learn than I thought. Thank you.
Warren
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 1 SEP 07 by Judith C.
Yes, Warren, actually I do! I'm living in France. And it's true that it's rather frustrating sometimes, as some of the roses mentioned are not obtainable here. Fortunately with the Internet one can 'shop around' and, in the end, manage to find a supplier for most of them. I'll have to have a look at Love's Promise ... Thanks!!
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 2 SEP 07 by Warski
Judith, I'm hoping you've found my listing of Love's Promise. I've recently changed my screen name from Warburton to Warski (I wasn't comfortable with the former being so close to my own name) so there might be some confusion at the site right now. I understand why the rose names you cited where baffling at first; thank you for letting me know you live in France. It makes perfect sense now. You did see that Meilland is the cultivar of "LP", so hopefully it will be fairly easy to get information where you are.
I'm particularly fond of the Meilland roses. We have Star Roses here (A Meilland Headquarters,so to speak) and one of their reps, Steve Benning, comes to our Rose Soc. meetings and lectures once a year. I will keep your list of roses and ask him his advice about seeing them, getting them. Thank you again, Warren.
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 2 SEP 07 by Judith C.
Actually, Warren, I did look for your comments on Love's Promise, which as you say is a Meilland and easily obtainable here (for once!!), but the most recent comment was in 2006. Is that what you meant? Thanks!
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 2 SEP 07 by Warski
Yes, Judith, that is it. I edited it recently, but originally wrote it in 2006. On occasion, I'll rewrite my entries if I notice something more needs be said. Oftentimes, surprising, new information comes as the bush matures through the years and I find it necessary to update the news.
For example, I noticed no fragrance from Love's Promise for the first 6 months so I wrote just that. When I finally noticed the strong fragrance, I was embarrassed at what I wrote and thought it only right to change the original observation.
I'm relatively new to growing roses and. I enjoy participating in the discussions on this site, but I'm bound to be wrong. So, when I am, I try to correct myself as quickly as I can.
Warren
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 3 SEP 07 by Judith C.
OK, thanks, I see! And thank you, on behalf of us all, for keeping your comments up to date! I always look to see what people have said about the roses I'm interested in.
See you've got the bug too ... !! Roses are wonderful things, aren't they?!? All the best, Judith.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 19 APR 15 by AlZone5B
Bella Roma performs very well in my Chicagoland garden. I have several different plants, the grafted ones get5-6 feet tall the own root ones are shorter. Fragrance is intensely fruity- among the best. Repeat is excellent, and this is a fantastic cutting rose, lasts long in the vase, and on the bush. Long extremely thorny canes. A very upright habit. Can you tell she is one of my favorites?
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most recent 7 NOV 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 1 JUL 05 by Unregistered Guest
I really love this rose. I lost all my roses this past winter. I started to dig up Valencia and when I did, I noticed it had a sprout. I potted it until my new bed was ready. At that time the long sprout had a bud. Anyway to make a long story short, it had an incredibly huge bloom that lasted and lasted. When I deadheaded the rose, it started sprouting out all over. Now it looks like a regular bush, instead of a sprout. This is a wonderful rose.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 3 JUL 05 by RoseBlush
Faith,

According to Jack Harkness, roses have three natural enemies in the wild: 1) fire; 2) frost; and 3) being eaten. The plant has adapted to compensate for these dangers to continue the species by being able to regenerate from its roots. What you have described in your comment is a perfect example of a rose doing its own thing... regenerating from the roots.

Smiles,

Lyn
helpmefind.com
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 7 JAN 06 by Unregistered Guest
I love this rose, too. In my hot, humid climate, Valencia loses some fragrance during summer but still performs terrifically. Spring and Fall fragrance is to die for, rich vanilla and rose combination. Definitely a smelly monster. I just measured a December bloom at 5 and a half inches in diameter. Lasts over a weak in the vase. The color is luminous, a combination of golden yellow on the tops of the petals and apricot on the petal backs. Not the bushiest of growth, but still very healthy with good disease resistance. (I spray all my roses preventively for Blackspot).
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 FEB 06 by Gina Stepp
This is also one of my very favourite roses. It lasts longer in a vase than any other rose in my garden, flat-out, period! By several days even. The large flowers, fabulous scent, gorgeous colour....all of these things more than make up for the fact that, as has been mentioned it doesn't really branch out in an overly bushy form.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 3 OCT 07 by Warski
Dear Gina,
Just saw Valencia growing in Santa Barbara CA. Loved it and would like to grow it. Just wondered if yours has branched into more of a bush as time went by. This site describes the growth habit as 28 inches tall and up to 4 feet wide. I live in Hollywood Ca., a micro-climate, where most roses grow with ease. Is your climate similar?
Thank you,
Warski
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 7 NOV 11 by SteveinAus
My newly bought Valencia also seems to be as tough as nails. I bought it as a strong looking bare-root (in a bag, with sawdust around the roots) about 4 months ago and was planning to put it in the ground, but didn't have a spot ready for it yet. So when I thought I was ready to plant it (maybe a week after buying it), I soaked the roots in a bucket one night, expecting to plant it the next day, but didn't get around to it.
So as the days went by I ummed and ahhed about whether to put it in the ground or in a pot, to start with, while the plant was still in the bucket of water. It was also left outside and while it was in a very shady spot, it still got a bit of direct sunlight each day and as the weeks (yes weeks!) went by, some of the water evaporated, drying out the roots on one side of the plant (as it was leaning to one side and some roots ended up out of the water, after the evaporation). I could see that while the plant was sending out new season's growth, it was struggling and not looking healthy, so after about a month I decided I had to either plant it, put it in a pot, or throw it out, so I decided to put it in a pot and see if it would survive.
Well survive it has, and while it unfortunately lost the strong cane that was directly above the roots that dried out, the rest of it has grown well and there are now about 7 strong buds on it, with the first one just about ready to open out any minute. Even after all that, there has been no real sign of any BS or mildew on the plant, even though plenty of other plants in my garden have had one, or both. Very impressive.
I also saw some of these in flower at a local rose nursery, the other day (one of which is in the pic, below) and was really impressed with the big, beautiful buds and blooms. It was the first time I'd seen any of these in person, that I'm aware of, so I was glad I took the chance on buying this one (as I don't usually buy a rose that I haven't seen for myself).
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most recent 30 MAY 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 18 OCT 05 by Mich, Fremont, CA
This is one of the most beautiful roses I know! (if you're not looking for classic hybrid tea form). If you also love peonies but hate their short season, look no further & grow this instead. It has ruffled deep pink (purplish) gorgeous blooms that look like peonies with the most wonderful rich scent (a hint of anise, moreso in CA - usually I Hate licorice scents, but somehow I'm willing to forgive it in this rose, it's THAT good!). It's a very healthy Strong grower with multiple buds per stem and almost always in bloom, individual blooms are very long lasting also (great for cut flowers). The blooms are So big & full that if you keep all the buds, you may want to tie some of the canes together for support or the stem may bow down beneath the weight of the flowers, especially when it rains. I've grown it in Boston, Baltimore & in Fremont, CA. In Boston & Baltimore, it was very disease resistant. In CA less so, but Fremont has a Huge mildew issue with all roses, I've had to spray weekly to even keep the mildew down. I can only guess that its somewhat-difficult-to-remember name keeps this rose from being well known, cause everyone I've recommended this rose to, comes back raving! One of my all time favorites!!!
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 3 OCT 07 by Warski
Hi, Mich,
Just saw Yves Piaget growing in Carpenteria. Did well there with the exception of PD, which you mention re: Filmore. What are your thots about this rose growing in Beverly Hills area, where it would receive only 4 hours of sun per day? Will this rose live in shadier spots than other roses? I spray successfully for PD with some roses and "umbrella" some, when heat is too intense. I'm a fairly concientious grower, but in light of what I've told you, do you think I'd have trouble if I took on Yves Piaget?
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 4 OCT 07 by Mich, Fremont, CA
Hi Warski,
4 hours of sun is not ideal for any rose, and any rose may not perform to its full potential. But Yves Piaget is such a strong grower that my feeling is it would survive better than most. In Boston & Maryland I grew the bush and had more sun. In Fremont, I grow the tree rose, but I also have less sun here and it IS less prolific. So if I had to choose, I'd try the bush. Hope that helps, take care, Mich
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 4 OCT 07 by Warski
Mich: it helps a great deal. I'll go ahead and plant Yves Piaget. For some reason, in spite of deficent light (border line at best), I've had great success with all the roses I've planted. However, I do try to find scrappy varieties and I needed to know exactly what you stated in your reply, that YP is a strong grower and would survive better than most. Thank you very much.
Warren (ski)
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 4 OCT 07 by Mich, Fremont, CA
Hi Warski,
Good luck, keep me posted on the results. If you need scrappy growers with great scent and don't already know these, I'd also highly recomment Secret, Double Delight, and Sheila's Perfume (FL- but great flowers). They're even more prolific, no one could be disappointed!
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 8 OCT 07 by Mich, Fremont, CA
Hi Warski,

Whoops! I hope it's not too late, because I just talked to Regan's nursery (big rose growers) who are close to me and very knowledgeable. They said that Yves Piaget does NOT like shade. It will grow, but nowhere near as prolific because the flowers are so big and full that they take a long time to develop between flushes if they don't get enuf sun. If you are willing to live with less flowers but still very beautiful flowers, then go ahead and try it. Otherwise, one last thought is to grow it in a large pot if you have a sunny spot you can put it in. Take care, Mich
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 10 OCT 07 by Warski
Mich: No, not too late. Thanks for the advice once again. You make sense. I'll grow the YP in a better place and save the shadier spot for a single or a Zepherine Drouhan ( I might have the space for that one). Also, I said Filmore and it's Fremont. Sorry. As for the reccommended roses in your last e-mail, I will definately look into them. Scent is important to me, because of the small amount of space I have so I want all the riches I can get from the 15 roses I grow. By the way, I happen to grow one of them, Double Delight, and no matter how it ranks with the show-crowd, it will always remain a top pick with me.
Thankyoualot,
Warren
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 30 MAY 10 by Kittykat
For me, this bush really has a problem with mildew. I had it planted a tiny bit crowded, and it was badly mildewed, then I moved it so it had more space, but unfortunately the spot it's in now does get a bit of shade. It's slightly lanky, mildewy now but that will pass after June in So. CA. But for the flowers, it's worth the struggle. They don't look impressive as buds, but they open up beautifully.

I did register, but no confirming email came, so this will probably come up as an anonymous person. I'll watch for the email.
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Initial post 31 AUG 07 by Warski
This will be year two of my ownwership of Evening Star. I've grown her from a cutting, because she is, evidently, out of fashion at present. (I couldn't tell you why, as this rose is a true beauty.) Her blooms are a rich, creamy white, with a sensual thickness to her petals. Her foliage is a dark green semi-gloss and her fragrance is sweet and thick in the air. So far, she's reached only two feet in height, but is thriving with 4 hours of afternoon sun here in LA. Even at this young age, she promises to be one of the great roses in my garden. One more thing: I know Evening Star to be a Hybrid Tea, not a Floribunda - all my literature from the 70s and 80s lists her as such. If anyone knows how this happened, please, enlighten me.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 15 MAR 08 by Mike Gleason
Warski,

This rose is available commercially from Roses Unlimited. You do have to look under the floribunda section of their catalog to find it. In all my books this is also listed as a floribunda.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 15 MAR 08 by Warski
Dear Gleason's, I actually, ordered this very rose from Roses Unlimited three years ago, after having known about it since 1975 or 6. There is no way that I have enough knowledge to say that Evening Star is a true hybrid tea, however, I have seen it listed both ways. My experience with it tends to make me believe it is an HT because of its form - one bloom per stem, long stems, medium height at present, not continual bloom, but nice repeat.
As time goes on, it will be interesting to see if its stature changes. In any case, I'm happy with either classification. Happy too that you replied. Thank you.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 15 MAR 08 by Mike Gleason
The reason I was even looking this up is because I am thinking about adding this to my collection, and want to get it as a (VID) from the FPMS program at Univ Cal-Davis. I did not know anything about it, so I pulled out some books, and read up on it. All books love it, and everyone out here seems to also.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 15 MAR 08 by Warski
I'm not familiar with FPMS other than its being a test/share program for growers. It doesn't usually include the individual. Roses Unlimited's cutting served me very well. However, I certainly recommend this rose. It is lush, (foliage and bloom) and very disease resistant. If there's disappointment, it's that the open bloom lasts too short a time - around 5 days, as opposed to what we've become used to with some of the newer HTs - Sheer Magic, Vet's Honor, Gemini and the like. (Again, here I go with the HT)
If your able to get to Huntington Gardens in Pasadena CA, they have a beautiful specimen on their grounds.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 15 MAR 08 by Cass
Hi, Warski,
'Evening Star'/Jacven was patented as "intermediate in type between hybrid tea and floribunda" and is a cross of a HT and a Floribunda. The ARS registration is as a Floribunda. So that's the origin of the why classification for this rose isn't easy but why it's called a Floribunda.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 15 MAR 08 by Warski
Thanks Cass, Great to know. I'll go with that. Floribunda, Floribunda, Floribunda. I'll have to do a bit of conditioning to the brain - like reversing muscle memory - but I can handle it. It's amazing that after year, there are two responses to my original question. I'm very grateful.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 28 MAY 08 by timdufelmeier
It has been officially listed as the original For-Tea in at least one rose book (the Ultimate Rose Book?)- I've never seen any others follow in that category. It does consistently deliver the most perfectly formed buds of any white rose that I 've seen and I used to collect whites: White Lightning, Jack Frost, White Queen, JFK, Tineke, Cystaline, Frau Karl Druski, White Simplicity, Mme AlfredCarriier, Dudley Cross, Iceberg, French Lace, Honor, Pristine, Sheer Bliss.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 2 MAY 10 by anonymous-377685
I believe it was peddled as the first "Flortea", an idea that never caught on. I also grow it in LA and though it's being smothered by of Bird of Paradise it does ok. It has hearbreakingly beautiful form with every bud.
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