Mine came from an 80 year old rose garden. Not saying 49er was there that long but another rose or two were. This also depends on if I've ID'd it correctly. Sure looks like 49er to me! I took the cutting and rooted it myself. If you have any suggestions for what else it might be, please advise.
The timing sounds about right to find a clean specimen of Forty-niner, and it certainly could have lived that long unmolested.
Your photos are still atypical.
We may have to think about it a bit and possibly bring in some of the more experienced OGR people in order to identify. We have to remember that many of the roses of this period were closely related.
Hopefully other will chime in.
I asked Kim to look at your photos and he agrees they are not typical.
Excellent! I would really like an ID that is accurate. I was trained in entomology and not roses, but I'm pretty good at ID if I have a good key. I will say that the heat definitely affects the coloration of my roses. There are times that this rose looks just like one I ID'd as Condessa de Sastago. (If anyone wants to take a whack at authenticating its identity, I'd love that too.) If you need any other pictures, a cutting, etc. please let me know. I have begun to love pernetianas and everything that looks like them. My ultimate goal is to help rescue roses, starting with those I find in my older neighborhood that are at risk of extinction due to no longer being in commercial propagation. Correctly identifying them is pretty important so I welcome all feedback. Can you tell me the parts that are "atypical" so I can apply that to my knowledge base? I would like to one day make a dichotomous key for IDing some of these roses so anyone could figure them out, but that's probably a bigger project than I could ever do.
I had ChatGPT analyze what I knew about it with some images and draft a "dossier" as it called it. It even gave it a cute found rouse name. I didn't know that 49er was hard to propagate. Thank you for the response. I can email a copy of the report or copy and paste here but it would be a little longish.
There's a good chance your rose is something more modern.
Don't be surprised if you never come up with a satisfactory answer. There are those that search for the true identity to roses they've found for years. In some cases they assign a new study name and enjoy it none the less.
I noted recently that Certified Roses will is offering 'Forty-niner' in their wholesale catalog for 2026. There's a chance you may find it at a box store near you. I don't know the source of their budwood but I know they have been working to do away with RMV infected propagation materials.
That's wonderful! Thank you for the heads up. Isnt someone using a heat method to kill the virus(es)? In not sure where I saw it. I am still working on a list of potentials for all my unknown roses. Just decided my Sexy Rexy from a box store isn't as advertised. No clue what it is but it has pink stamens. I need to grow it up more.
Could that rose possibly be Piccadilly? I have pictures of it in my journal. Very light fragrance. Floribunda clusters, at least in my yard. 22-30 petals. Feathery bits on the sepals.
Yes he is. Thank you for "introducing" me to him. I looked at contrast also and even closely considered Talisman, and offspring of Contrast, but I knew the mottling of the petals isn't found in my rose. So I knew it wasn't Talisman. The images of Contrast don't look as much like mine, but he said the Mediterranean climate causes color variance like you see in my images. Thanks again for the help! I'm going to keep looking for older roses in my neighborhood! We do have 100+ year old houses so there should be cool roses that have survived. I did find Shailer's Provence and then it was gone (removed by the property owner), but I spotted it on another fence this year.
Does anyone have any experience growing this rose? Despite having the coloring of the faded maroon velour seats in my grandmothers 70's Buick Regal from when I was a child, I've come very close to ordering it own-root from Roses Unlimited. The ARS rating on it is fairly dismal, and they are spot-on with their abysmal rating of Blue River, so I've been hesitant to give her a try.
