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'Marie van Houtte' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 129-074
most recent 22 JUN 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 SEP 21 by Marlorena
For anyone who has this rose, can you tell me please if your rose is virtually thornless? not totally but just a few downward facing ones here and there, and small prickles on the back of the leaf stalks, because that's all mine seems to have, the uppermost canes are smooth, and I'm wondering if I have the correct rose, but otherwise the blooms and foliage seem to conform to what I see here.
I'm in England, and my rose does not appear to be William R. Smith with which it's sometimes confused apparently.

My rose has a light sweet fragrance, very upright in growth, quite vigorous, possible short climber - I shall have to move it - with creamy white, tinted yellow, sometimes pale pink edging but not much so far. Not many petals, not very full. My plant is first season..

A member here below in the U.S. states ''horrible thorns'' which is why I'm making this query. Thank you,
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 17 SEP 21 by Lee H.
Marlorena, my Marie has what I would term a somewhat below average number of prickles, combined with an average size. One distinctive feature is that the prickles are a dark red. I’ll post a picture of those under the main rose category so you can see and compare to yours.
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 17 SEP 21 by Marlorena
Lee, thanks so much, and very prompt response.. I've seen your picture.. where you have 5 o 6 I have just 1 or 2, but they are the same colour and shape... the rest of the bush looks to be the same foliage wise... my plant is only 4 feet tall so maybe with time I will see more thorns, but I've checked all the references and I can find nothing to say it's 'low thorn'.. which puzzled me..

I'm thinking now it's the correct rose and that it will conform to type as it develops... thanks again for your help..
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 17 SEP 21 by Lee H.
You’re very welcome. I always have time to talk about old garden roses.
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 17 SEP 21 by Margaret Furness
The Tea book says: prickles numerous.
They're visible on photo 104343.
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 18 SEP 21 by Marlorena
Thank you Margaret. I shall keep comparing but if it's not this rose I've no idea what else it could be. I'll post some photos when it's more mature..
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 18 SEP 21 by Margaret Furness
I guess Mrs Dudley Cross is the closest in colour of those the Tea book lists as usually thornless. Aka "Mrs lemon meringue pudding".
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 18 SEP 21 by Marlorena
Oh thank you Margaret, I've looked that one up and in some pictures I can see a similarity to my rose, those from Werribee Victoria and some gardens in Europe, but not from San Jose Heritage, they are too double.. and the reports of 60-100 petals is not my rose currently, unless it gets fuller with age.. however the growth habit seems to conform.. so I shall keep my eye on this one as it develops... Mrs DC is not sold here in England any more, unless it's masquerading as Marie van Houtte.. I note it's often described as an improved version of that rose..

I hope to get to the bottom of this eventually..
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 18 SEP 21 by Margaret Furness
"Improved version" is just advertiser-speak - search on rose names begining with Improved, and see how many of them have disappeared.
Marie van Houtte is a wonderful rose if you have the space for it.
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 18 SEP 21 by Marlorena
..just going from the references on that, but whichever rose I have here, it will have to impress rather more on the bloom front, I find them rather small and shapeless so far... 'Mme Antoine Mari' is way better and there is no comparison, so time will tell..
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 22 JUN 22 by drogers
Mrs Dudley Cross is quite like Marie Van Houtte and is almost thornless you may want to investigate MDCross. Both are equally beautiful.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 22 JUN 22 by Marlorena
..thank you for your time and input here. I have since found out it was clg. Mrs Herbert Stevens... which was not a rose I wanted, so I no longer have it.. thanks again though..
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Discussion id : 129-375
most recent 12 OCT 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 OCT 21 by ldmont
I'm writing my 1st post on Help Me Find because I wanted to praise Marie Van Houtte as one of the healthiest and most overall attractive roses that I know of.

Its growth habit is fairly strong, but mannerly, its blooms are very attractive and come in strong flushes in the spring and fall and it appears disease free in my no-spray garden.

Its only drawback is that it does not have a strong scent, at least to me.

Highly, highly recommend it to anyone looking for a moderate sized, well-mannered climbing rose.

I garden in Zone 9b, so I can attest to its heat tolerance, but of course not to its cold tolerance.
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Discussion id : 113-675
most recent 22 OCT 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 OCT 18 by hebe
Not a showy rose, but one of the best in my garden. It makes a lovely, though very large, shrub. It has reached 7' high and 12' wide, and still seems to be going. Unlike most Teas I have, it is clothed to the ground, being arching. The shrub in Spring, is particularly lovely, with a tapestry of darkish green and russet leaves, dotted with, pale yellow and clotted cream blooms that turn pink with warmth.
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Discussion id : 94-598
most recent 28 AUG 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 AUG 16 by Margaret Furness
Evergreen in zone 9b.
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