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'Harison's Yellow' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 115-756
most recent 20 MAR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 17 MAR by CybeRose
It is highly unlikely that Thomas Hogg introduced 'Harison's Yellow' in 1824. In 1823 he was still operating his nursery in Paddington, UK.

Furthermore, I have found no evidence that Harison's rose got "out and about" until the 1830s. Hovey, who visited Harison at his greenhouse in 1835, gave 1830 as the date of origin (though not necessarily the date of introduction).
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 17 MAR by Patricia Routley
I presume you are talking of Thomas Hogg Snr?
The HelpMeFind page for him says “The first Thomas Hogg, an Englishman, procured land in 1822 in upper Broadway (where Twenty-third Street now is), and began business as florist and nurseryman.”
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 18 MAR by CybeRose
Patricia,
Thanks. I missed that the two Toms were in business at the same time in different countries.

Hogg listed Harrisonia in his 1834 catalog, but apparently did not take plants along when he travelled to spend the winter of 1835 in London. Not even one for his dad.

On a more obscure track, Prince (1846) wrote, "Rosa Harrisonii, or Harrison's Yellow, was raised from seed by the late Geo. Harrison, Esq., of New York, from whom I received the first plant he parted with, in exchange for a Camellia Aitoni."

The earliest mention I've found of Prince having this camellia is his ad in the New England Farmer (Oct 16, 1829) that included: Aiton's large single red camellia, $15. This would place an early limit on when Prince could have made the trade.

By April 1835, Prince had "a few dozen of Harrison's new double Yellow Rose" available for sale.

Would Harison have given a free sucker of the rose to Hogg when he knew it was precious enough to get him some other valuable plant in trade? I can't guess. But Hogg's catalog of 1834 has neither Aiton's nor Harrison's camellias.
Karl
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 19 MAR by Patricia Routley
So, it seems the introduction date of 1825 came from the (non-existent) grand-daughter of Harison in the 1898 reference, 73 years after 1825. That is too tenuous even if he had a child out of wedlock. It seems as if we could put the introduction date back from 1825 to 1834 by Hogg, US, and 1835 by Prince in the UK ?
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 20 MAR by CybeRose
Patricia,
William Prince's nursery was on Long Island, New York, USA.
I suspect that Hogg received his stock from Prince, but he did get into print first ... so far as I can find.

Harison, Hogg, Hovey, Prince, Floy, Feast and several others were united in their love for camellias, as well as for plants in general. Hogg seems to have been particularly busy feeding the New York passion for Pelargoniums, too.

I don't know how the story got started that Harison was a retired sea captain, but maybe that's what he told acquaintances. It's certainly more colorful than being a non-practicing attorney.
Karl
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 20 MAR by Patricia Routley
Ah gee.... I'll leave you to it Karl. Let me know if I can do anything specific for you.
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Discussion id : 104-025
most recent 4 AUG 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 AUG 17 by Sambolingo
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Discussion id : 72-135
most recent 24 DEC 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 JUN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
Where did 'Harison's Yellow' get its double flowers from???
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 24 DEC 15 by CybeRose
One parent was presumably a double Scotch rose. I would guess that it was pink or blush because Prof. Allard raised some pink-flowered plants from self-seed of 'Harison's Yellow'.

Harison also raised a white-flowered seedling that was very similar to his famous yellow, but it was never as popular.

Jardins de France 1: 725 (1900)
M. Allard. — Ayant récolté à différentes reprises des fruits du Rosa Harrisonii, j'en ai semé les graines et j'ai obtenu toute une série de Rosiers à fleurs simples, blanches, roses, jaunes et une à fleur semi-double, ayant la couleur et le même ton que celle du Rosa lutea Miller. Tous sont des arbustes nains qui se rattachent au Rosa pimpinellifolia, par les caractères principaux: aiguillons, feuilles, fruit pourpre noir, etc.

Le Rosa Harrisonii a également des caractères du Rosa pimpinellifolia, mais il se rapproche des Rosa lutea par la coloration de la fleur. Cependant, il est considéré par nombre de rosiéristes comme n'étant qu'une variété de ce Rosier. Ce serait, croyons-nous, un hybride issu du Rosa pimpinellifolia croisé par le R. lutea.

Prof. Allard. — Having harvested at different times the fruits of Rosa harrisonii, I planted the seeds and got a variety of roses with single flowers, white, pink, yellow and one semi-double flower, with the same color and tone as that of Rosa lutea Miller. All are dwarf shrubs that run with the Rosa pimpinellifolia, for the main characters: prickles, leaves, purple black fruit, etc.

The Rosa harrisonii has also characters of Rosa pimpinellifolia, but it is closer to Rosa lutea in the color of the flower. However, it is considered by many rose growers as being a variety of this Rose. This would be, we believe, a hybrid of Rosa pimpinellifolia crossed by R. lutea.
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Discussion id : 62-943
most recent 24 MAR 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 MAR 12 by CybeRose
Magazine of Horticulture 5: 258 (1839)
We were particularly pleased with several very pretty yellow roses, seedlings of Mr. Hogg's; one of the number was peculiarly fragrant, and also a well formed flower, second only to Harrisonii. None of the kinds are yet named, but we hope Mr. Hogg will designate them in some way that they may be better known and introduced into collections.

The Garden, 17: 502-505 (June 5, 1880)
 AMERICAN ROSES
, C. M. Hovey
p. 503
and in 1839 ... . Mr. T. Hogg, of New York, brought out his seedling yellow Roses, from Harrisoni, but not so good.
p. 504
Hogg's Yellow (T. Hogg, N.Y.).— A good yellow Rose, not very double; 1839, vol. v., p. 258.
Hogg's Straw Colour (Hogg). —Pale yellow, otherwise similar to the last; 1839, vol. v., p. 258.
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