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Discussion id : 114-412
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Initial post 6 days ago by HubertG
This is another rose I saw in the Barbara May Garden at Rookwood cemetery in Sydney. Again I assume it is a foundling that has been renamed. It looks to be a Tea, not a large flower but the bud is striking for its orange colour splashed with a bit of pink. The open flower seemed to have more pink. It seemed to be semi-double and wasn't a very large bush.
Unfortunately the second photo here isn't a great shot and probably also over-emphasises the pink.
I have messaged the lady who should know its study name, but in the meantime are there any guesses about a possible identification from others? And it isn't 'Comtesse du Cayla' as I'm familiar with that rose.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 5 days ago by Margaret Furness
Mrs Arthur Robert Waddell was called a tea for a while in the early days of HRIA. I can't see the stem very clearly.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 5 days ago by HubertG
Quite possibly. Unfortunately It wasn't flowering much and I don't have more good photos. From memory the blooms nodded. I definitely will be going back sometime to take more photos of this and that red Tea.
Discussion id : 114-339
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Initial post 10 days ago by HubertG
I'm hoping one of the tea ladies can help with this rose. It is planted in the Barbara May Rose Garden at Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney, Australia, so I assume it's a foundling that has been renamed, but I'd like to know what name it has been given so I can look at more photos of it. It appears to be an intermediate between a Tea and a China, bright dark red, and velvety (my photographs don't pick this quality up that well). I've been looking at my photos and the early photos and illustrations of 'Princesse de Sagan' and seeing similarities, I am wondering if they could be the same.
Reply #1 of 14 posted 10 days ago by Jay-Jay
Maybe better photographing it in the morning- or evening light or on a cloudy day. Better red colors and less UV.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 10 days ago by HubertG
I agree. It fact I hadn't planned a visit here at all and was just nearby and decided to drop in and it was about noon. I was using my phone to photograph the rose, and dark or bright reds are always difficult to capture accurately with it. None of the roses were labelled. I'm really curious about this one. This photo captures the velvet a bit better but is out of focus.
Reply #3 of 14 posted 10 days ago by Jay-Jay
It looks (as if) without prickles.
Reply #4 of 14 posted 10 days ago by HubertG
It did have thorns, but wasn't overly thorny. You can see a couple on the branch at the top right here.
Reply #5 of 14 posted 10 days ago by Margaret Furness
Billy Teabag is off air for while.
The garden is looked after by the Sydney branch of Heritage Roses in Australia. I'll send a contact email address via pm.
I don't know if they planted "Camnethan Cherry-red" there. The plant given the study name was collected in Victoria.
To quote (from memory) the Indian Rose Journal: Plants in public gardens should be labelled, as the public like to know what they're stealing.
Reply #6 of 14 posted 10 days ago by Jay-Jay
Reply #7 of 14 posted 10 days ago by HubertG
I have grown "Camnethan Cherry Red" before and my impression was they weren't the same rose.
And I can't believe I forgot to smell it, although simply standing near it I didn't detect a perfume.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 8 days ago by Patricia Routley
If you were able to find out, I would love to know its “study name” HubertG
Reply #9 of 14 posted 8 days ago by HubertG
I sent a message to the lady who should know. I'll post its study name as soon as I find out.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 6 days ago by Patricia Routley
Take a look at the file "J. Datson" (syn :Frank Veal"). Sorry I am not able to search for more info for a couple of days but will get back to it and add whatever I find.
Reply #11 of 14 posted 6 days ago by Margaret Furness
"J Datson" at Renmark is low-growing, pretty much "just another China". I think the flowers are smaller than in your photos.
Reply #13 of 14 posted 6 days ago by HubertG
Just regarding the possibility of this rose being 'Princesse de Sagan':-
There are a few more recently posted early American catalogue photos of PdS (and bear in mind that they MAY not be accurate) which are a bit at odds with the rather shaggy open flowers in the Henry Moon illustration. However looking at this rose at Rookwood, the opening flowers are rather cupped, with a rounded outline that tends to match these photos. The petals only seem to reflex when they are more open. The drawing in the Journal des Roses actually bears a fair resemblance to some of these Rookwood blooms, but the most notable point about this illustration for me is that the bud receptacles are a close match for our rose, as are the spacing and poise of the loose clusters. The bud shown in the Geroge H. Mellem 1906 drawing (which looks to me like it's done from a photo) shows a very similar bud shape. The notable point for me about the Moon painting is that the terminal leaflet is rather long and attenuated (compare to the KAV leaves alongside) and this does match the Rookwood rose (see my 4th photo for a fair example).
Here's another photo of an opening bloom still with its rounded outline. There are about 5 rows of petals and you can just see the stamens. It's interesting that one of the American catalogues call PdS "The crimson Brabant" and I wonder if it is because of this cup shape and it's freedom of bloom.
Reply #12 of 14 posted 6 days ago by HubertG
Thanks Patricia, I had a quick look at "J. Datson" which seems to be very similar to 'Cramoisi Superieur'.
The rose I photographed had flowers too large to be a China like that, with blooms maybe 2 1/2" to 3" across (just guessing from memory). Small to medium for a tea but too large for the classic red china class. There were in fact a couple of typical red Chinas in that Rookwood garden, one was small and barely more than single with a white eye from memory.
Edit: I just saw your post, Margaret, yes I agree with you. Here's another photo of the mystery rose.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 6 days ago by Margaret Furness
The nearly-single China with a white eye has the study name "Jane Vaughn". I no longer have it.
Discussion id : 113-222
most recent 27 SEP HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 SEP by kgs
A friend posted this rose on Facebook, saying he had found it while walking around New York City, where he lives. The flower is large and he said it is fragrant. Any idea what it is?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
'Crimson Glory'?
Discussion id : 112-510
most recent 2 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 AUG by BartBalk
We have an intense yellow unknown rose. Can anyone identify it?
It's oldish, possibly 1970's or earlier.

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