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Discussion id : 107-357
most recent 16 JAN SHOW ALL
Initial post 10 JAN by ofous
Writer Karel Capek share garden with his brother, painter Josef Capek. In front of southern facade, exactly on border between brothers, there is a rose, today shrub more than 2m tall, probably one´s trimmed as climber. Large semi-double clear yellow to golden yellow (later pale creamy yellow) come early in mid May. Fragrant. Ocassionaly repeat in October, even November. Shiny leaves stay long until winter. Buds have a orange tips or edges, but this colour rarely stay until full bloom. Big rounded light orange hips with shallow regular grooves and long bracts. Later flowers roll petals and fade in colour. Petioles and branches only slightly red. All structure very strong and robust, but no thorny. Photos from May 18 and October 17.

Similar Rose grow in Bornim, Karl Foerster garden, Lichtkönigin Lucia, but much orange in buds. By character of shrub and flower is close also to Maigold, not by colour. In Sängerhausen I found several with similar flowers, f.e. Lawrence Johnston, Lady Sonia, La Reve, King Midas, Dukat, Frisia, Allgold and few others.
Reply #1 of 12 posted 10 JAN by Andrew from Dolton
Have a look at 'Lady Hillingdon'.
Reply #2 of 12 posted 10 JAN by Margaret Furness
No - I'm not good at identifying roses, but the colour of Lady Hillingdon is one you can recognise from a long distance away - more ochre than yellow; and it sets few hips.
Reply #3 of 12 posted 15 JAN by Rupert, Kim L.
It's much closer to Golden Showers than Lady Hillingdon.
Reply #4 of 12 posted 15 JAN by ofous
Golden Showers is very close by type of flower, but this rose flower only in May/June with very rare flowers in Sept/Oct
Reply #5 of 12 posted 15 JAN by Rupert, Kim L.
When you rub the sepals, peduncles and new growth tips, do you detect any plant scents from them? It appears to be related to Foetida and that species frequently gives those parts a very "fruity" scent when they are rubbed. We have a very long running chewing gum, Juicy Fruit, which often has a very similar scent to these parts with Foetida influence. You may need to wait until Spring to detect it in the very fresh, soft new growth. It appears to have the Foetida connection. The presence and strength of those plant scents will help determine how closely related it may be to the species.
Reply #6 of 12 posted 15 JAN by ofous
Good advice, thank you. I will try. Some detail relate to pimpinellifolia, but foetida is, oh course, also in game.
Reply #7 of 12 posted 15 JAN by Margaret Furness
Is it too yellow, and not thorny enough, for Leverkusen?
Reply #8 of 12 posted 15 JAN by ofous
Leverkusen is pale (like older flowers of Capek´s rose) and more regular double, more gentle shape of flower. IMHO
Reply #9 of 12 posted 16 JAN by Jay-Jay
Could You describe the scent of the flowers?
Reply #10 of 12 posted 16 JAN by ofous
Sorry, I can´t compare with other roses at the moment, generally is not strong scent, but we will know more in May
Reply #11 of 12 posted 16 JAN by Patricia Routley
Ofous, you might like to read the Plant Patents for both 'Golden Showers' and 'High Noon'. Do a three column comparison of the charactistics of your rose, and these two.
Reply #12 of 12 posted 16 JAN by ofous
Both of them are very close in several details, but both flowering throughout the season.
Discussion id : 106-641
most recent 1 DEC SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 NOV by rafael maino
Can anyone help me identify this rose?, I believe is Rosa majalis
Reply #1 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
A wonderfully clear set of photos Raphael. I would help if I could but do not have R. majalis.
I have noted the very glandular sepals on your rose and one of Cass's photos show this trait.
However, the old illustrations show infrastipular (just under the leaf) prickles and your photos show random prickles.
If you would like us to make a temporary special "study file" for your rose, please let us know and give us the "study name" you wish to use.
Alternatively, perhaps other members who grow R. Majalis could give their yea or nay opinion.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
Thank you very much Patricia for your response!!!, I take this plant from Germany, a suckering from a plant I find there, it resist coming to Patagonia!!!, I will take photos of the leaf (infrastipular), and add to the post, for the moment we can give it a study name "Raff Majalis"???, it's a rose that I want to have for many years, and specially R.majalis plena, or R. cinnamomea plena, but it's very difficult to get it, there are very few nurseries that offer this variety, and the most of are in Europe
Reply #3 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
It is very similar to R. cinnamomea 'Plena' from the photographs, I have R. cinnamomea 'Plena' if you would like some.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
Thank you for your comment, Andrew!!!, and Thank you again for your kindly offering, I will let you know if I or a friend travel to UK, so you can give me/or to a friend a little suckering of R. cinnamomea plena, and I will be so happy to take it to my garden in Patagonia!!!
Reply #5 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
I add photos of the leaves and flowers (close up)
Reply #6 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
Andrew, there is
R. cinnamomea plena. Syn. Double Cinnamon. and
R. cinnamomea. Syn. Single Cinnamon Rose.
Rafael's rose is single.

Rafael, I might have mislead you a little with my words "infrastipular (just under the leaf) prickles". They are just under the leaf, but are placed on the stem. This type of prickle is most clearly shown in the illustration that Cass has added of R. Cinnamomea (photo no. 78512) from John Lindley's Rosarum Monographia (1820), Tab 5 after p. 28.
I have opened a file for "Raff Majalis". Will you be able to move your photos to that file?
Reply #7 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
Hi Patricia, I just take a new photo of the "under the leaf", but on the stem where are placed two prickles, just a moment and I add this photo
Reply #8 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
i will respond further in "Raff Majalis".
Reply #9 of 9 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Thank you Patricia, I add 14 photos to "Raff Majalis", and please let me know if this is the authentic Rosa majalis or R. cinnamomea
Discussion id : 105-726
most recent 26 SEP HIDE POSTS
Initial post 26 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
Thirty years ago at my first job there was a tree peony growing in the wild garden that I have never been able to identify. The habit and appearance were very similar to P. lutea but the flowers were the same dark maroon colour as Cosmos atrosanguineus. It always made masses of seed pods but they were always empty inside. I wonder if any members might know what it was?
Discussion id : 104-667
most recent 17 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 AUG by BartBalk
I was over at the California Nursery Historical Park today, talking to Bruce Roeding. He mentioned that he thinks that the single white Banksia rose is no longer at the park. He said that the nursery sold it, not sure when, but I do see it in the 1917-1918 catalog. That was the year his grandfather bought the California Nursery. Anyway, there was a cute single rose that I saw blooming last spring, April 12th. It's really in a big hedge near his property. I'd like to see if it is a Banksia, single white, but there are so many banksia roses in helpmefind, I was hoping someone could help me figure out which name it goes by. I found some pictures online that look like it's the same. I don't see any place to upload a photo, but can put it somewhere accessible. Perhaps there will be an additional screen that will come up once I hit "continue".

Thanks much!
Janet Barton
Reply #1 of 3 posted 17 AUG by Patricia Routley
Here is a simplified guide:
R. banksiae normalis (single white)
R. banksiae alba plena (double white)
R. banksiae lutescens (single yellow)
R. banksiae lutea (double yellow)
Reply #2 of 3 posted 17 AUG by Margaret Furness
If you click on your posting, then on Edit Post, there should now be an Add Photo button.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 17 AUG by Andrew from Dolton
Hello Janet,
It looks a little bit like Rosa multiflora, I don't think it is Rosa banksia.
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